求助OG13.16, as adj. as gmat语法常见的省略问题

摇曳的叶子

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
a. movies—less than those
b. movies—fewer than have been
c. movies, which is less than those
d. movies, a number lower than the people
e. movies, fewer than the ones
省略主语的比较，与之类似

coconutmi

摇曳的叶子 发表于 2013-8-31 15:53
Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movie ...

恩纳,我今天好像喵到这个题了,说选B. 说这样可以突出比较的是被杀的方式,by bee和by shark,要是加了those就是强调被杀的人之间的比较了。

谢啦~P.s.你的头像好像我家猫咪^^

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coconutmi 发表于 2013-8-31 21:08
恩纳,我今天好像喵到这个题了,说选B. 说这样可以突出比较的是被杀的方式,by bee和by shark,要是加了those ...

这个是哪里的解释？
a的错误有两个
1、比较的是the number of people killed by two animals，所以less改成fewer；
2、those也错了，用those指代的是seven people，明显错误。
如果题干是people have been kiiled by.....用those就对了
猫咪就像小孩子，很淘气的。

coconutmi

摇曳的叶子 发表于 2013-8-31 21:36
这个是哪里的解释？
a的错误有两个
1、比较的是the number of people killed by two animals，所以less改 ...

阿, 弱弱的问一句, 我咋感觉those没有指代前面的那7个人，而是指代了被蚂蚁杀的人们。因为mahattan 介词那一章有讲，只有that 和those可以指代 new copies(与比较对象对比的，但又非同一个的东西).

这个解释是miazhang去年的帖子写的~http://forum.chasedream.com/foru ... =%E7%9C%81%E7%95%A5

例2. Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than [have been killed by bee stings].

Mia最初认为，than后面省略了those（指代people）。

但是有理解说，这里比较的并不仅仅是only seven people，后面的have been killed也在比较范围之内。所以不能是fewer than those killed by bee stings，因为这样就变成了seven people 和“被蜜蜂杀死的人”的比较。

Mia同意上述观点。

这里应该补出完整的比较：

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, fewer than [people have been killed by bee stings].但是这种说法是不符合语法规则的。Than后面不能在加上一个句子。

所以，这时候的省略就是必须的！

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coconutmi 发表于 2013-8-31 22:00
阿, 弱弱的问一句, 我咋感觉those没有指代前面的那7个人，而是指代了被蚂蚁杀的人们。因为mahattan 介词 ...

Asked by a student：

Don't we need some demonstrative pronoun here to refer back to people, which is absent in B. Thus I chose E.

Would "fewer than those" be a correct answer? Please explain.

answered by RON

nope.

you can't use parallel constructions with "those"/"that"/etc, in separate clauses, unless they are EXACTLY PARALLEL to whatever shows up in the other part.

in this case:
you can't write "those killed by bee stings"
unless
the other part contains "people killed by the great white shark" (with NOTHING IN BETWEEN).
it doesn't, so you can't.
seek link： http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/can-somebody-help-me-out-with-this-question-t4278.html

摇曳的叶子

"THOSE (no verb) killed by bee stings" would have to correspond to "(THE) PEOPLE (no verb) killed by the shark".
this is not what the first part here says; the first part here says "ONLY SEVEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN killed by the shark", which fails on two counts: (1) it has a verb (it's not supposed to); (2) you can't cherry-pick "people" from the construction "only seven people".
also quote Ron‘s words

coconutmi

摇曳的叶子 发表于 2013-8-31 22:40
"THOSE (no verb) killed by bee stings" would have to correspond to "(THE) PEOPLE (no verb) killed by ...

亲，谢谢啦，明白明白。是说对比时两边结构，尤其是动词结构什么的要平行，省略的话也不能省一半留一半。  我之前貌似没理解对你的话，所以在说those,that的指代对象问题。

猫咪是很淘气滴，尤其是我家的老猫一只^_^

yy20

请问您现在搞清楚比较（尤其是as中的）了么？我还是不清楚，一遇到这种题就犯晕。。。能不能给我讲讲？

qsjvicky

我认为，as/than后面SVO可以有一下几种情况：
1. 如果比较的是主语，那么as/thant后面可以就S，V+O可以省略，但是be动词/助动词尽量补齐，但是有一种情况，比如A LIKE B MORE THAN C这种情况会认为A相对于C更喜欢B，所以这样就要A like B more than C do.
2. 如果比较对象是谓语，那就直接谓语啦~
3.如果比较对象是介词短语，比如OG中有一道题，in no other historical...did it cause such a sensation...as in its return in 19XX原句记不清了，这种情况，就可以直接在as/than后面写介词短语，但是我认为如果答案有as it did in 19XX也是可以的，也就是说加上主语也是可以的
4. 无论怎么省略，语义为王道！！还有就是所补助动词一定要是前面有的，比如不能前面是is likely to do后面变成than B do,要与前面对齐~
个人看法，仅供参考哈~

coconutmi

yy20 发表于 2013-9-18 20:41
请问您现在搞清楚比较（尤其是as中的）了么？我还是不清楚，一遇到这种题就犯晕。。。能不能给我讲讲？ ...

Hi,楼下的讲解可以吗？不知你还有哪里具体不明白吗，比如是比较对象看不出，还是省略规律掌握不好，或者比较词的用法不熟悉？