求助OG13-SC118，关于except,excepting...

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enkyklios 发表于 2013-7-3 18:56
应该说excepting也是个介词，但是它和except 有什么区别？我就不太清楚了，
不过我们没有见过excepting in ...

查了下。。的确是~明白了 谢谢NN~

zwhjzwhj

enkyklios 发表于 2013-7-3 18:56
应该说excepting也是个介词，但是它和except 有什么区别？我就不太清楚了，
不过我们没有见过excepting in ...

在beatthegmat上看到一个说法是：

excepting a few bits of dialogue, nothing in the text is understandable --> not ok, because “excepting” is used to preface a positive exception (things that are understandable) to a negative statement (everything else is not understandable).

excepting some of the dialogue, everything in the play is beautifully written --> this would be acceptable.

但我不知道怎么理解这个excepting的negative

enkyklios

意思就是说；你可以说     除了他之外，我们都……
而不能说                       除了他之外，我们都不……。

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我是勤劳的搬运工
Ron说的：
in most cases, though, except + preposition is not actually an idiomatic construction at all.

what you're seeing is the use of the word "except" - in isolation - followed by a preposition that goes with whatever words follow.

for instance:gambling is illegal everywhere in the state, except on chippewa reservations.--> correct. notice that "except + on" is not an idiomatic construction; rather, "on" is simply the pronoun that happens to go correctly with "chippewa reservations."

it's not really "except in" - in other words, the "in" doesn't really belong with the "except" here.

the "except" construction is basically just "except X, Y".the "in" belongs idiomatically with "the domains".

i.e., the only preposition that's acceptable with "the domains" is "in";

it's not really an issue of "except" at all.

for instance:she's never been happy in a relationship, except with james.

except on saturdays, the store is open until 9 p.m.note these examples:

in each, the preposition is determined by the idioms of the FOLLOWING noun, not the "except".same here.

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enkyklios 发表于 2013-7-3 18:44
既然是介词又何来原型一说？你还是把它当动词啦

我想问下 如果是 but except for 的话是什么错误?

还有如果是but except for in 的话呢?

就是纯想知道

cdbgin009

except这里绝对是一个连词，但是连接不是两个句子
结合语意，把except的位置挪一下，就明白了

M was ..., but(connect two main clauses) the English was...on the island except(connect two "prep+n.") in the domains...

读题的时候我要是能早注意到这两个介宾的话就不会思考这么久了，两个介宾是很强的提示了

but连接两个主句，except连接两个不同的介宾短语，这就是为什么用in而不用for的原因，因为in和except没有关系；in the domain才是固定搭配

zenglikevin

zwhjzwhj 发表于 2013-7-8 16:05
在beatthegmat上看到一个说法是：

excepting a few bits of dialogue, nothing in the text is understa ...

"excepting for" is unidiomatic; this combination is not allowed in proper english.

you can use "excepting" by itself in this sort of situation (i.e., when you want to point out an exception to a negative statement), but not with "for".
这是我在manhattangmat上看到的manhattan的老师给出的解释，好像正好和你在beatthegmat上看到的相反。根据这个解释也就是说在这道题里，选项D如果去掉for就可以称为正确选项。

foxhs

cdbgin009 发表于 2013-12-20 05:22
except这里绝对是一个连词，但是连接不是两个句子
结合语意，把except的位置挪一下，就明白了

你这样把句子结构理顺了，但是句意完全相反，不可接受

doorman198

既然except可以做连词，那为什么B不对呢？

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