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tony0825

以下是引用Novena在2005-2-22 19:29:00的发言：

原文中是 as many as, or more than ，虽然OG解释说这种用法wordy，答案C选项的确很简洁，但感觉比原文的意思少了什么

谁能帮我解释一下？

我也想问这个问题

dormousedzc

个人认为:       population changes of more than 250 bird species  既可以指这两百多种鸟总数量的变化,也可以是这两百多种鸟各自种群的数量变化,

而changes in populations of more than 250 bird species 就仅仅只能表示各自种群的数量变化,  没有了歧义

所以OG说:Changes in the populations of is clearer than population changes of.

大家认为是这样的吗?考证中...

lcy19812000

以下是引用winnie在2005-4-28 14:18:00的发言：

population changes of more than 250 bird species：如果population有形容词作用，那么of more than 250 bird species就成了修饰中心词changes，但逻辑上应该修饰population。

peajack:

more than是大于等于的意思，as many as是它的子集，确实没有少什么。

JJ，are you kidding me？

mcwEnquxiN

以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言：

og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

撇开use...to do这个idiom不说,为什么OG11说"of as many as, or of " is wordy???原文没有表示比较的意思么?还有那个or of单个拿出来不能这么用么,(连词+介词,不能用???)

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

OG11说DE两项that has no reference, that要有reference是做什么词,关系代词或副词,有没有简单的例句呀?还是that指代先行词???

C is the best choice.  

谢谢哈  哪位神仙给解释解释

萍踪侠影

以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言：

og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

C is the best choice.  

og解释：population changes in B is less precise than changes in population.
                Why？

注意题目后面的more than 250 bird species，这里说明不同的species有不同的population，从而有不同的changes，因此C的意思更明确。

另外，population changes的意思倾向于变化的数量，而changes in populations更倾向于数量的变化，概念有些不同。

萍踪侠影

以下是引用mcwEnquxiN在2008-12-9 22:37:00的发言：

谢谢哈  哪位神仙给解释解释

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

撇开use...to do这个idiom不说,为什么OG11说"of as many as, or of " is wordy???原文没有表示比较的意思么?还有那个or of单个拿出来不能这么用么,(连词+介词,不能用???) **Wordy的意思是读着都觉得拗口，呵呵。至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。连词＋介词是可以用的，但怎样用要看场合，这在平行的题中经常见到。

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

OG11说DE两项that has no reference, that要有reference是做什么词,关系代词或副词,有没有简单的例句呀?还是that指代先行词???**that前面的词是annual roadside counts，逻辑上讲that应该指代annual roadside counts，但是后面的动词monitor不可能是annual roadside counts发出来的，因此，that缺少指代对象，即是没有reference的意思。

mcwEnquxiN

恩  鼓掌鼓掌  谢谢你滴帮助哈...

就是还有一点哈  我再跟你问一下

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。

你是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than,还是说of as many as呀?

谢谢咯

萍踪侠影

以下是引用mcwEnquxiN在2008-12-9 23:50:00的发言：

恩  鼓掌鼓掌  谢谢你滴帮助哈...

就是还有一点哈  我再跟你问一下

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。

你是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than,还是说of as many as呀?

谢谢咯

是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than；逗号前后的两部分加起来就是of no less than

mcwEnquxiN

恩  谢谢了 我会慢慢体会哒