help,OG的几道题目

braveMBA

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-9 21:16:00的发言：
170. Although early soap operas were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's when the evening schedule became crowded with comedians and variety shows.
(A) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(B) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they were moved to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(C) were aired first on evening radio in the 1920's, moving to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(D) were aired first in the evening on 1920's radio, they moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(E) aired on evening radio first in the 1920's, they were moved to the 1930's in the daytime hours

答案是B
我想问下
如果把B中的 aired 和first 换个位置，意思会不会变的

改变了句子意思，first aired on evening radio 指的是第一次"aired"，而on evening radio是修饰aired；而aired first on evening radio指的是"aired"第一次在evening radio，可以先考虑A选项的最高级或修饰词位置。

linlin315

我认为语法不同于逻辑题，correction是要运用一些常识的。就像哥哥的这道题如果不用常识的话如何判断谁应该是prompted的逻辑主语。

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-11 23:51:00的发言：
tocean兄，谢谢！我是很支持这个原则的，本来。可是，在解语法题的时候，所谓的“逻辑意思”是怎么判断出来的？比如，下面这个题，判断出prompted是authorities而不是property owners才好做题。还有很多。不是靠常识判断的么？

简而言之，逻辑意思，不靠常识判断的话，靠什么呢？谢谢！

很困惑。。。。。。谢谢！

9. Prompted by new evidence that the health risk
posed by radon gas is far more serious than was
previously thought, property owners are being
advised by authorities to test all dwellings below
the third floor for radon gas and to make repairs
as needed.

(A) property owners are being advised by authori-
ties to
(B) property owners are advised by authorities that
they should
(C) authorities are advising property owners to
(D) authorities are advising property owners they
(E) authorities' advice to property owners is they
should

siebel

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 0:35:00的发言：
我所理解的句子的逻辑意思：应该是根据句意推出的唯一的、最为合理的句子各成分间的逻辑关系；

窃以为，大家说的逻辑意思，就是句意的意思吧。

知道句意以后，可以判定各成分的逻辑关系。但，不明白的是倒过来。我困惑的是：如何知道句意（即逻辑意思）？即：不通过常识，如何准确理解句意呢？

在举个例子，如何排除A呢？

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(D) to have a gross weight less than8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual

tocean0222

以下是引用braveMBA在2003-7-12 0:40:00的发言：

改变了句子意思，first aired on evening radio 指的是第一次"aired"，而on evening radio是修饰aired；而aired first on evening radio指的是"aired"第一次在evening radio，可以先考虑A选项的最高级或修饰词位置。

agree with Brave !

tocean0222

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:09:00的发言：
窃以为，大家说的逻辑意思，就是句意的意思吧。

知道句意以后，可以判定各成分的逻辑关系。但，不明白的是倒过来。我困惑的是：如何知道句意（即逻辑意思）？即：不通过常识，如何准确理解句意呢？

在举个例子，如何排除A呢？

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(D) to have a gross weight less than8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual

siebel.
我说的句子各部分的逻辑关系的判断当然句意的理解，比如上例A的排除：
with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.只可能修饰the one,而不是individual，所以逻辑关系是唯一的，如果2者都有可能有 less than 8,000 pounds的重量，就一定要specifically identify，就跟2人都有可能marry..那题一样；当然这题解题过程有常识判断，但这种可能是唯一的才行！

siebel

从Prompted by new evidence...可以看出，它是过去分词短语作状语修饰它的句子主语，由于过分表被动，则如果主句谓语还用被动语态的话是不合逻辑

谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

tocean0222

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:50:00的发言：
谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

siebel,
可以这样理解，其实这是逻辑规则，只可能是“被。。。，某人怎样”，不可能”被。。。。，某人被怎样“，但最好还是具体问题具体分析！

祈晴坊主

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:50:00的发言：
谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

请问过分在句首是什么意思？

祈晴坊主

tocean GG：

问个问题
1，是不是with 一般都是紧跟修饰前面的一个名词而不可能跳跃修饰的？

2，那么分词短语呢，如果是  “……，doing ……”
既前面有很多话，可能有两个以上的名词，然后加上一个逗号，接着是分词短语（或是现在分词或是过去分词）
那么这个短语是不是可以跳跃修饰前面的名词的


如果是没有逗号呢，

3，还有定语从句前没有逗号，that是不是也是紧跟修饰的？

linlin315

可是....
with a gross weight of less than 8,000pounds不可修饰individual是常识，但是为什么晴晴的那题，虽然有两个人名但是根据常识不可能女married女所以只能是前面的那个人名，这不也是逻辑关系唯一吗？/我怎么老觉着这两道题是一类啊？？为什么上面的哪题去不可以用常识呢？？

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 1:28:00的发言：

siebel.
我说的句子各部分的逻辑关系的判断当然句意的理解，比如上例A的排除：
with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.只可能修饰the one,而不是individual，所以逻辑关系是唯一的，如果2者都有可能有 less than 8,000 pounds的重量，就一定要specifically identify，就跟2人都有可能marry..那题一样；当然这题解题过程有常识判断，但这种可能是唯一的才行！