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求!助!帖!关于with引导的独立主格结构做伴随状语的问题

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发表于 2012-12-2 18:23:33 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
OG13 SC114 Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
OA:B
以前论坛NN们的解释是,“这里的with是独立主格,表示伴随,修饰主句的主谓;理解起来的意思是“...如果它们的一个触手丢失了,这个触手会很快(通过这种动物的过度补偿和本身就多长了一个或两个触手)被替换”,with就是括号里的内容”原帖见:
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-738883-1-1.html?SearchText=og13 sc114
然而我又看了个帖子

Visitors to the park have often looked into theleafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legshanging like socks on a clothesline.
在这个句子里,with独立主格是做伴随状语修饰的monkey的sleeping这个动作(即主句的宾语补足语),表示的是和sleeping同时进行的一个状态
原帖见:
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-576471-1-1.html

我的疑问就来了with+宾语+宾补,到底是做主句主谓宾哪个成分的伴随状语呢??


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沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-2 18:31:16 | 只看该作者
如果with可以修饰SVO中的宾语补足语的话,
prep08-220
The results of thecompany's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which increasedfive percent during the first three months of this year after it fell overthe last two years.  
A.    which increased five percent during the first threemonths of this year after it fell

B.     which had increased five percent during the firstthree months of this year after it had fallen
C.    which have increased five percent during the firstthree months of this year after falling
D.     with a five percentincrease during the first three months of this year after falling   (C)
E.  with a five percent increase during the firstthree months of this year after having fallen
这题的DE又错在哪呢?
板凳
发表于 2012-12-2 19:17:00 | 只看该作者
LZ应该好好看看独立主格的用法。。。
with独立主格可表示伴随动作、伴随状态、伴随方式、伴随原因,前三个要求逻辑主语为preceding clause的主语,with后的noun是和该主语非常相关的事物;最后一个不需要逻辑主语~(独立主格的东西很多的~建议LZ还是去看看prep或者翻翻语法书~~)
最后一题中after后错误,变成results fall了~
地板
发表于 2012-12-2 19:43:38 | 只看该作者
with好多的讲解我觉得都是误导,因为我也曾经困惑,其实with简单的讲就是两个成分,“定语和状语”,作定语那就是修饰最近的合理的N——遵守touch rules(比如猴子那道题,有没有comma,完全就是必要修饰和不必要修饰之分),作状语那就是要修饰主句谓语动词表伴随,(比如章鱼那个题),不用学习什么是独立主格,只要根据句意确定修饰对象是否合理,with题目完全能做。

再拿你问的第三题说明,原句是which定语修饰profits,说明profits increased;而DE选项,with一出来,一种理解是伴随状语(那么二话不说,改变原文修饰成分,原来定语修饰profits现在伴随状语表示伴随修饰,且发出者是results,logic错误且改变原文含义)另一种理解是定语修饰profits,暂且看做是对的,但是后面的after状语从句省略,主句主语是result,那么after的逻辑主语是result,而result is falling是错误的(同意楼上的亲)

个人想法,不要纠结with的用法,知道是修饰就行,管他修饰谁呢,都只是修饰,保证with的基本结构正确,无歧义修饰就pass
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-3 11:34:51 | 只看该作者
LZ应该好好看看独立主格的用法。。。
with独立主格可表示伴随动作、伴随状态、伴随方式、伴随原因,前三个要求逻辑主语为preceding clause的主语,with后的noun是和该主语非常相关的事物;最后一个不需要逻辑主语~(独立主格的东西很多的~建议LZ还是去看看prep或者翻翻语法书~~)
最后一题中after后错误,变成results fall了~
-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/12/2 19:17:00)


TAT  LZ知道错了……LZ早上恶补了~~可是LZ有个新疑惑!
Visitors to the park have often looked into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.
这个with如果按照“逻辑主语为preceding clause的主语(这里是visitors)”来解释的话,不就有歧义了吗??
6#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-3 11:39:06 | 只看该作者
with好多的讲解我觉得都是误导,因为我也曾经困惑,其实with简单的讲就是两个成分,“定语和状语”,作定语那就是修饰最近的合理的N——遵守touch rules(比如猴子那道题,有没有comma,完全就是必要修饰和不必要修饰之分),作状语那就是要修饰主句谓语动词表伴随,(比如章鱼那个题),不用学习什么是独立主格,只要根据句意确定修饰对象是否合理,with题目完全能做。

再拿你问的第三题说明,原句是which定语修饰profits,说明profits increased;而DE选项,with一出来,一种理解是伴随状语(那么二话不说,改变原文修饰成分,原来定语修饰profits现在伴随状语表示伴随修饰,且发出者是results,logic错误且改变原文含义)另一种理解是定语修饰profits,暂且看做是对的,但是后面的after状语从句省略,主句主语是result,那么after的逻辑主语是result,而result is falling是错误的(同意楼上的亲)

个人想法,不要纠结with的用法,知道是修饰就行,管他修饰谁呢,都只是修饰,保证with的基本结构正确,无歧义修饰就pass
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/12/2 19:43:38)


MM说的很对啊!!按你这么说理解起来是很容易也很清楚啊!
但是啊!!!
LZ龟毛啊……LZ看了一个早上的独立主格,所有的独立主格里都讲了with
楼主这这这……放心不下啊TAT
7#
发表于 2012-12-3 15:33:32 | 只看该作者
OG13 SC114 Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
OA:B
以前论坛NN们的解释是,“这里的with是独立主格,表示伴随,修饰主句的主谓;理解起来的意思是“...如果它们的一个触手丢失了,这个触手会很快(通过这种动物的过度补偿和本身就多长了一个或两个触手)被替换”,with就是括号里的内容”原帖见:
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-738883-1-1.html?SearchText=og13 sc114
然而我又看了个帖子

Visitors to the park have often looked into theleafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legshanging like socks on a clothesline.
在这个句子里,with独立主格是做伴随状语修饰的monkey的sleeping这个动作(即主句的宾语补足语),表示的是和sleeping同时进行的一个状态
原帖见:
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-576471-1-1.html

我的疑问就来了with+宾语+宾补,到底是做主句主谓宾哪个成分的伴随状语呢??


-- by 会员 village203 (2012/12/2 18:23:33)



只想说一下,不是WITH的独立分词结构就一定是伴随状语,很多时候只是一种补充说明,和主句的主语不一致,只是在逻辑上有联系。
8#
发表于 2012-12-3 15:41:25 | 只看该作者
LZ应该好好看看独立主格的用法。。。
with独立主格可表示伴随动作、伴随状态、伴随方式、伴随原因,前三个要求逻辑主语为preceding clause的主语,with后的noun是和该主语非常相关的事物;最后一个不需要逻辑主语~(独立主格的东西很多的~建议LZ还是去看看prep或者翻翻语法书~~)
最后一题中after后错误,变成results fall了~
-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/12/2 19:17:00)



TAT  LZ知道错了……LZ早上恶补了~~可是LZ有个新疑惑!
Visitors to the park have often looked into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.
这个with如果按照“逻辑主语为preceding clause的主语(这里是visitors)”来解释的话,不就有歧义了吗??
-- by 会员 village203 (2012/12/3 11:34:51)


或许应换个说法,with伴随修饰前面最近的动词~这里伴随修饰sleeping~
另外,我记得DUKB版主有关于with的总结,comma+with不一定只用于独立主格,同意sisi的说法,comma+with甚至有可能做定语修饰逗号前面的noun~
但是这道题我有一点和sisi的解释不太相同但我不sure~希望有大牛confirm一下~~
如果with这里修饰profits的话,after后省略的就应该是profit falling(sisi说这里还是results~我不太sure~)~ 但是这里用with是不对的,解释同sisi,因为会隔断前后句的关系,因为evident的体现就应该在于five increase,所以不能用with修饰profit~
9#
发表于 2012-12-3 15:42:12 | 只看该作者
LZ可以搜一下DUKB版主with的总结~ 讲的非常好!
10#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-12-5 23:49:43 | 只看该作者
with好多的讲解我觉得都是误导,因为我也曾经困惑,其实with简单的讲就是两个成分,“定语和状语”,作定语那就是修饰最近的合理的N——遵守touch rules(比如猴子那道题,有没有comma,完全就是必要修饰和不必要修饰之分),作状语那就是要修饰主句谓语动词表伴随,(比如章鱼那个题),不用学习什么是独立主格,只要根据句意确定修饰对象是否合理,with题目完全能做。

再拿你问的第三题说明,原句是which定语修饰profits,说明profits increased;而DE选项,with一出来,一种理解是伴随状语(那么二话不说,改变原文修饰成分,原来定语修饰profits现在伴随状语表示伴随修饰,且发出者是results,logic错误且改变原文含义)另一种理解是定语修饰profits,暂且看做是对的,但是后面的after状语从句省略,主句主语是result,那么after的逻辑主语是result,而result is falling是错误的(同意楼上的亲)

个人想法,不要纠结with的用法,知道是修饰就行,管他修饰谁呢,都只是修饰,保证with的基本结构正确,无歧义修饰就pass
-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/12/2 19:43:38)


SIS MM我觉得吧……猴子那题不是with就近修饰名词 monkey吧……应该还是做状语修饰sleeping吧?怎么解……
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