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TerraceHo

谢谢，Terrace的解答！破折号的用法受教了！但有个问题请教~hull和boat不是一个东西吗？C选项 it为什么会产生pronoun ambiguity呢？

句子中hull是boat的一个example啊，是属于关系吧~二者不一样~psZ考试加油！！！O(∩_∩)O~

同意ls.另外即使它們倆意思真的一樣，但是如果在句子裏面還是兩個不一樣的詞語的話，我覺得還是會存在歧義的，因為對於同一個意思有兩個可以選擇的完全對等的antecedent，已經違背了它指代唯一性的原則了

yiqing2012

谢谢，Terrace的解答！破折号的用法受教了！但有个问题请教~hull和boat不是一个东西吗？C选项 it为什么会产生pronoun ambiguity呢？

句子中hull是boat的一个example啊，是属于关系吧~二者不一样~psZ考试加油！！！O(∩_∩)O~

同意ls.另外即使它們倆意思真的一樣，但是如果在句子裏面還是兩個不一樣的詞語的話，我覺得還是會存在歧義的，因為對於同一個意思有兩個可以選擇的完全對等的antecedent，已經違背了它指代唯一性的原則了

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/11/26 1:17:03)

umm...如果我的记忆没有偏差的话，如果两个词是等同的，是可以这么修饰的，不存在歧义，这里没有违背指代唯一性原则。。。
找到一个具体的例子：The thirteen original British colonies in North America, some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter that set forth its form of government and the rights of the colonists.

A.some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter

B.some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all of which had written charters

C.some that formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, all had written charters

D.with some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all had a written charter(A)

E.with some formed as commercial ventures, while others as religious havens, each had a written charter

答案虽然不是D，但是根据PREP的解答：with的存在使得some并不是指代colonies，而是与colonies相关的东西；all与后面的its单复形式不统一；这里with并没有夹心修饰的歧义，因为all/each和colonies是同一样东西，所以向前向后修饰逻辑上都一样
而且manhattan的解释上也没有提出这里有问题，所以只要二者是相同的，即使不是同一个词，是可以这么修饰的~~

TerraceHo

谢谢，Terrace的解答！破折号的用法受教了！但有个问题请教~hull和boat不是一个东西吗？C选项 it为什么会产生pronoun ambiguity呢？

句子中hull是boat的一个example啊，是属于关系吧~二者不一样~psZ考试加油！！！O(∩_∩)O~

同意ls.另外即使它們倆意思真的一樣，但是如果在句子裏面還是兩個不一樣的詞語的話，我覺得還是會存在歧義的，因為對於同一個意思有兩個可以選擇的完全對等的antecedent，已經違背了它指代唯一性的原則了

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/11/26 1:17:03)

umm...如果我的记忆没有偏差的话，如果两个词是等同的，是可以这么修饰的，不存在歧义，这里没有违背指代唯一性原则。。。
找到一个具体的例子：The thirteen original British colonies in North America, some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter that set forth its form of government and the rights of the colonists.

A.some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter

B.some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all of which had written charters

C.some that formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, all had written charters

D.with some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all had a written charter(A)

E.with some formed as commercial ventures, while others as religious havens, each had a written charter

答案虽然不是D，但是根据PREP的解答：with的存在使得some并不是指代colonies，而是与colonies相关的东西；all与后面的its单复形式不统一；这里with并没有夹心修饰的歧义，因为all/each和colonies是同一样东西，所以向前向后修饰逻辑上都一样
而且manhattan的解释上也没有提出这里有问题，所以只要二者是相同的，即使不是同一个词，是可以这么修饰的~~

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/27 9:11:35)

Dear ls, 不太懂你所指的沒有ambiguity是說哪裡？D項all前面有與colonies意思相同但是寫法不同的詞，除了pronouns？
另，關於with後面的some指代的不是colonies的說法，請看下面的link。Ron一開始的卻說了不是，但是後面又把它改回來說是了。
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/thirteen-colonies-t7407.html

yiqing2012

谢谢，Terrace的解答！破折号的用法受教了！但有个问题请教~hull和boat不是一个东西吗？C选项 it为什么会产生pronoun ambiguity呢？

句子中hull是boat的一个example啊，是属于关系吧~二者不一样~psZ考试加油！！！O(∩_∩)O~

同意ls.另外即使它們倆意思真的一樣，但是如果在句子裏面還是兩個不一樣的詞語的話，我覺得還是會存在歧義的，因為對於同一個意思有兩個可以選擇的完全對等的antecedent，已經違背了它指代唯一性的原則了

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/11/26 1:17:03)

umm...如果我的记忆没有偏差的话，如果两个词是等同的，是可以这么修饰的，不存在歧义，这里没有违背指代唯一性原则。。。
找到一个具体的例子：The thirteen original British colonies in North America, some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter that set forth its form of government and the rights of the colonists.

A.some formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, each had a written charter

B.some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all of which had written charters

C.some that formed as commercial ventures, others as religious havens, all had written charters

D.with some being formed as a commercial venture, others as religious havens, all had a written charter(A)

E.with some formed as commercial ventures, while others as religious havens, each had a written charter

答案虽然不是D，但是根据PREP的解答：with的存在使得some并不是指代colonies，而是与colonies相关的东西；all与后面的its单复形式不统一；这里with并没有夹心修饰的歧义，因为all/each和colonies是同一样东西，所以向前向后修饰逻辑上都一样
而且manhattan的解释上也没有提出这里有问题，所以只要二者是相同的，即使不是同一个词，是可以这么修饰的~~

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/27 9:11:35)

Dear ls, 不太懂你所指的沒有ambiguity是說哪裡？D項all前面有與colonies意思相同但是寫法不同的詞，除了pronouns？
另，關於with後面的some指代的不是colonies的說法，請看下面的link。Ron一開始的卻說了不是，但是後面又把它改回來說是了。
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/thirteen-colonies-t7407.html

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/11/27 20:35:58)

额。。。解释粘多了。。。
不管some是不是指代colonies,这里的with修饰的时候并没有产生任何歧义，但是注意这里的结构简化就是：N1，with...,N2 do....这种结构一般都会有修饰歧义的，因为with既可以修饰N1，也可以修饰N2，但是这里N2（each）就是指代N1（colonies），所以不会有歧义。。。

yiqing2012

另外，ron在哪一楼说了some指代的是colonies?我没看到啊。。。你是不是理解错意思了。。。

TerraceHo

另外，ron在哪一楼说了some指代的是colonies?我没看到啊。。。你是不是理解错意思了。。。

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/27 22:04:55)

關於ambiguity的問題，我覺得我貌似不是跟你討論同一個內容咯。
then，Ron’s回覆：
here's an example:
ron has a very full schedule this week, with every one of his available time slots occupied.
--> this sentence works, because "with" actually applies to ron and/or his schedule -- i.e., ron is the person with those occupied time slots, and/or his schedule is actually the thing with those time slots.
in (e), "some" is referring to the colonies themselves, so that sentence is literally talking about "colonies with colonies". that doesn't make sense.

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[edited] -- the explanation i originally wrote here was in error.

original explaination在最開始~

akaa

哈哈~以为你是老乡，然后在群里看到我，所以知道我考啦~~YY……不好意思！