求定位~~G660 T94 GPA3.13 本科中国前五

mooncrystal

这是复旦哥的又一经典：D！

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/10/31 13:06:22)

让复旦哥再写一个《申请学导论》吧=！

出国小土鳖

怎么说呢，的确不能用太功利的眼光去看待出国这件事
但是几十万不是小钱，既然拿了父母的钱，我是会考虑投入产出的
父母不差几十万的当我没说

Shiningcrown

我清楚你的意思，1年的从7月开始的硕士项目确实对full-time recruiting极端不利，学校的牌子绝对没有一个investment banking summer analyst的title好使
美国学校的资源内地这四个学校除了北大光华之外还是没得比的，今年来复旦做了info session的大概就GS/MS/JPM/UBS/DB吧，某家还是只叫了合资券商的人来；MS APAC光是为了Chicago地区那两个学校就又是搞workshop又是搞info session，CS光是跑UChicago就要跑4趟。。我觉得还是能感觉得出美国这些学校比较受重视，如果能从申请summer program开始参与，还是可以获得一些优势吧
今年BCG没招人的原因应该是大家都return了，北京return了6个人上海return了4个人，应该不会再招人了

-- by 会员 Frued (2012/10/29 15:30:31)

You are definitely right. What I wanna suggest is, if you are as result-oriented as I, you care more about what you can achieve than what you can experience, what you should do is -

Be one of the best players in one of the best programs.
If it is too hard for you, then -
Be one the best players in one of the good enough programs (NYU, Umich, Fudan, etc...)

If you are a mid-level player in the best programs, you can only get opportunities that the top players are not interested in...
If you are in a poor program, you'd better find other meanings of studying...

(Actually, the difference of competency between players in the best and good enough programs is huge. Using MBA as an example, 95% of the Sloan MBAs must get rejections from HBS, or they'd choose HBS.)

Definitely, investment banks in HK love students in US. They hire 2/3 from US and 1/3 from PKU, THU, FDU and SJTU. But how many students in Fudan are applying? 30? How many of them have ever read the vault guide? How many even know the book"Investment Banking"? How many spent more than $1,000 on Mergers and Inquisitions just to purchase something that is fxxking useless if they don't become a banker in the end? How many of them spent $400 on Harvard Business School resume book just to copy one or two sentences onto their resumes?

Half of the Wharton Asian undergrads are doing these things.

No other comments. Just two words:

GET STRONGER

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2012/10/31 12:03:43)

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每一看FDG的Comments 都能激发内心原始本能的aggressive and greedy 的欲望
THX

Karmalot

没有对与错，只有愿不愿意

有人愿意从清北复交毕业去美国100以后的学校，有人只去哈佛耶鲁不管专业，有人想体验生活丰富阅历，有人玩儿命申请玩儿命工作但求逆袭，都没问题，别限制了别人的选择，以及自己别后悔就行

当然fucker哥说的还是要再顶一下

Karmalot

我看大家的回复真心觉得有点夸张了吧，出国是去看看外面的世界，再说美国真的在80左右的学校就已经差到不行了么。。。说实话我在复旦四年也没觉得学到什么。。。。求大家指点哈。。。。我现在很慌啊

-- by 会员 reducto (2012/10/23 22:37:43)

不是前十二的学校 别去
是前十二的学校 如果你进了你的简历是班里垫底的 也别去
要学东西还不如考CFA
比如JHU那个MSF 就是一个CFA一级培训班 用一年的时间来学一样复习两周就能考出的试 你指望学什么
综上别去了 听哥的没错

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2012/10/24 6:07:05)

这个前12是怎么划的线。。？second tier ivy似乎也挤不进这个范围了。。

-- by 会员 Frued (2012/10/24 17:00:08)

Harvard, Stanford, Yale, UPenn, Dartmouth, MIT, Princeton, Columbia, UChicago, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern, CMU, UCB, UMich, NYU
Williams College, Wellesley...

These school can probably give you THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES as Fudan University if you are looking for Chinese/HK opportunities. The only advantage for them is that you can get exposed to US opportunities. Again, if all you want is staying in the States and you don't care what you do, you should study CS/engineering rather than finance.

At this level, who you are is more important than which school can you get in. If you have a GPA 2.5 with typos on your resume, you will get NO INTERVIEW even if you are from Harvard.

If you cannot reach the school of this level, you shouldn't go to the States as there are no value added.

Just give you an example. I applied to McKinsey, BCG and Bain last year for Shanghai Office last year, got interviews from Bain and BCG. This year, I have one more internship experience, my resume gets updated for another 40-50 times, and I have a shining MIT Sloan title below my name. I applied to McKinsey, BCG and Bain again for Shanghai office. I didn't get interview from McKinsey and BCG. Think about it, BCG SH office would recruit approximately 2 people from Fudan and 2 people from United States. Just compare the candidate volume and candidate competency and you'll know which one is easy to get in. What about MBB opportunities in United States? Come on. You are competing with Harvard party animals on using English to bullshit.

I am just using consulting as an example, but all industries are similar. Finance industry is even more prestigious.

I am not here to discourage anyone from applying for a good program. And personally I might have a bias since the easiness to go to bulge bracket investment banking is all that  I care about for a master program. Sloan MFin is a good program, so are some similar MSF/MFE programs. You can learn a lot in the program. I am just lowering your expectation. If you think an ivy title ( or a top 50 US school title (come on are you kidding me)) can do a lot for you and you can live on that, you'd probably not apply for the VISA. Remember, school is a benchmark, not an asset for you.

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2012/10/28 3:23:49)

gmatfucker学长发了好长的文字。。
其实一直因为学长经常discourage复旦的学弟学妹，所以我一直很怕怕啊...LZ是我同班同学，感觉大家有点言重了，LZ的目标应该不是MBB BB，就是想有个海外经历丰富一下人生吧，外加一个硕士学位，女孩子以后有个硕士文凭总是好的。
每个人选择出国都有自己的原因，就像我放弃复旦金融学硕，在学长眼里一定是傻透了，但是我只是想为了人生经历，还为了在cam的bf。我不想在复旦浑噩三年攒一堆实习然后找得体的工作，而是在一个压力很大的环境下push自己一下，试试在UK US找工作，找不到都回国呗，结果怎么样我都坦然接受。
可能因为我是女生吧，所以没有太大的压力找工作，父母也不期望我很快把留学的钱赚回来。
我想说的是，每个人出国都有自己的原因，不全都是为了以后的工作薪水，还有私人的原因，还有梦想和人生呀。可能是MIT 11万刀的成本太大了，加上学长一直是很牛的人，对自己要求高嘛。
anyway，祝学长找工作顺利，再保佑一下学妹申请顺利吧：）

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/10/28 20:44:01)

我要是你就申UK 6个+MIT，应该至少能中一个

Top20fucker

在美帝英语好到爆才是正道。

margueritee

我看大家的回复真心觉得有点夸张了吧，出国是去看看外面的世界，再说美国真的在80左右的学校就已经差到不行了么。。。说实话我在复旦四年也没觉得学到什么。。。。求大家指点哈。。。。我现在很慌啊

-- by 会员 reducto (2012/10/23 22:37:43)

不是前十二的学校 别去
是前十二的学校 如果你进了你的简历是班里垫底的 也别去
要学东西还不如考CFA
比如JHU那个MSF 就是一个CFA一级培训班 用一年的时间来学一样复习两周就能考出的试 你指望学什么
综上别去了 听哥的没错

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2012/10/24 6:07:05)

这个前12是怎么划的线。。？second tier ivy似乎也挤不进这个范围了。。

-- by 会员 Frued (2012/10/24 17:00:08)

Harvard, Stanford, Yale, UPenn, Dartmouth, MIT, Princeton, Columbia, UChicago, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern, CMU, UCB, UMich, NYU
Williams College, Wellesley...

These school can probably give you THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES as Fudan University if you are looking for Chinese/HK opportunities. The only advantage for them is that you can get exposed to US opportunities. Again, if all you want is staying in the States and you don't care what you do, you should study CS/engineering rather than finance.

At this level, who you are is more important than which school can you get in. If you have a GPA 2.5 with typos on your resume, you will get NO INTERVIEW even if you are from Harvard.

If you cannot reach the school of this level, you shouldn't go to the States as there are no value added.

Just give you an example. I applied to McKinsey, BCG and Bain last year for Shanghai Office last year, got interviews from Bain and BCG. This year, I have one more internship experience, my resume gets updated for another 40-50 times, and I have a shining MIT Sloan title below my name. I applied to McKinsey, BCG and Bain again for Shanghai office. I didn't get interview from McKinsey and BCG. Think about it, BCG SH office would recruit approximately 2 people from Fudan and 2 people from United States. Just compare the candidate volume and candidate competency and you'll know which one is easy to get in. What about MBB opportunities in United States? Come on. You are competing with Harvard party animals on using English to bullshit.

I am just using consulting as an example, but all industries are similar. Finance industry is even more prestigious.

I am not here to discourage anyone from applying for a good program. And personally I might have a bias since the easiness to go to bulge bracket investment banking is all that  I care about for a master program. Sloan MFin is a good program, so are some similar MSF/MFE programs. You can learn a lot in the program. I am just lowering your expectation. If you think an ivy title ( or a top 50 US school title (come on are you kidding me)) can do a lot for you and you can live on that, you'd probably not apply for the VISA. Remember, school is a benchmark, not an asset for you.

-- by 会员 gmatfucker (2012/10/28 3:23:49)

gmatfucker学长发了好长的文字。。
其实一直因为学长经常discourage复旦的学弟学妹，所以我一直很怕怕啊...LZ是我同班同学，感觉大家有点言重了，LZ的目标应该不是MBB BB，就是想有个海外经历丰富一下人生吧，外加一个硕士学位，女孩子以后有个硕士文凭总是好的。
每个人选择出国都有自己的原因，就像我放弃复旦金融学硕，在学长眼里一定是傻透了，但是我只是想为了人生经历，还为了在cam的bf。我不想在复旦浑噩三年攒一堆实习然后找得体的工作，而是在一个压力很大的环境下push自己一下，试试在UK US找工作，找不到都回国呗，结果怎么样我都坦然接受。
可能因为我是女生吧，所以没有太大的压力找工作，父母也不期望我很快把留学的钱赚回来。
我想说的是，每个人出国都有自己的原因，不全都是为了以后的工作薪水，还有私人的原因，还有梦想和人生呀。可能是MIT 11万刀的成本太大了，加上学长一直是很牛的人，对自己要求高嘛。
anyway，祝学长找工作顺利，再保佑一下学妹申请顺利吧：）

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/10/28 20:44:01)

我要是你就申UK 6个+MIT，应该至少能中一个

-- by 会员 Karmalot (2012/11/2 5:52:16)

uK6个是oxbridge, lse ic 还有啥。。。谢谢斑竹。。

Karmalot

uK6个是oxbridge, lse ic 还有啥。。。谢谢斑竹。。

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/11/2 9:14:37)

奏是你签名里那6个

margueritee

uK6个是oxbridge, lse ic 还有啥。。。谢谢斑竹。。

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/11/2 9:14:37)

奏是你签名里那6个

-- by 会员 Karmalot (2012/11/2 10:09:38)

ha...thx?看来定位还算可以。。。

gmatfucker

uK6个是oxbridge, lse ic 还有啥。。。谢谢斑竹。。

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/11/2 9:14:37)

奏是你签名里那6个

-- by 会员 Karmalot (2012/11/2 10:09:38)

ha...thx?看来定位还算可以。。。

-- by 会员 margueritee (2012/11/2 13:31:07)

是我就只申MIT,Princeton和Oxbridge 你这背景比我当时屌多了