Help,XDF-S4-6, use of ",", like, unlike, as

joywzy

1stzhang, tocean,

Thank you for your explanation and discussion , which benefit me  a lot .

Anyway, all the senteces we discussed is not the real one. In the real test, we might find more errors in the wrong choices , thus remindins us to choose the corret one.Therefore, we only the general rules of as and like, i guess it is enough.

tocean0222

以下是引用joywzy在2003-7-6 12:47:00的发言：
1stzhang, tocean,

Thank you for your explanation and discussion , which benefit me  a lot .

Anyway, all the senteces we discussed is not the real one. In the real test, we might find more errors in the wrong choices , thus remindins us to choose the corret one.Therefore, we only the general rules of as and like, i guess it is enough.

1stzhang, joy
再补充一点，

关于插入语的用法可能很难总结，下面是我从gmat中找的几个例子，希望能给大家一些启发:
1、There is no consensus on what role, if any, is played by acid rain in damaging or slowing the growth of forests in the easten United States.

2、The emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an "artificial face".

3、The pattern of whisker spots on the face of a male lion, like human fingerprints , is a lifelong means of identification, since it is both unique and unchanging.

4、According to some annalusts, whatever its merits, the proposal to tax away all capital gains on short-term investments would , if enacted , have a diastrous effect on Wall Sreet trading and employment.

通过观察我发现，这些插入语一般被放在其修饰的或密切相关的key words后面，还有一列没找到，就是考it is hoped那题，用法也是这样，所以我个人认为插入语用法又一个就近原则，就是要靠近其修饰的或密切相关的中心词。

不知道大家有何想法？

joywzy

这些插入语一般被放在其修饰的或密切相关的key words后面，还有一列没找到，就是考it is hoped那题，用法也是这样，所以我个人认为插入语用法又一个就近原则，就是要靠近其修饰的或密切相关的中心词。

坚决赞成!!!!

考it is hoped那题，还考到了逻辑意思的合理性。

tocean，我发现越是做到后面，SC考的就是意思和逻辑意思的合理性。尤其是其中的难点，修饰语的问题，我总是把握不好。实际上与这个插入语的用法是异曲同工的。

不知你对修饰语的把握上有什么好办法吗？谢谢。

isuffering

Thanks for all the discussion. I'm reading.

wait to see if i have any further Gamt  questions.

tocean0222

以下是引用joywzy在2003-7-6 16:47:00的发言：
这些插入语一般被放在其修饰的或密切相关的key words后面，还有一列没找到，就是考it is hoped那题，用法也是这样，所以我个人认为插入语用法又一个就近原则，就是要靠近其修饰的或密切相关的中心词。

坚决赞成!!!!

考it is hoped那题，还考到了逻辑意思的合理性。

tocean，我发现越是做到后面，SC考的就是意思和逻辑意思的合理性。尤其是其中的难点，修饰语的问题，我总是把握不好。实际上与这个插入语的用法是异曲同工的。

不知你对修饰语的把握上有什么好办法吗？谢谢。

joy,

我也没有太好的办法，不过我觉得关键就是要搞清楚2个问题：
1、这个修饰语的结构和含义；
2、它在句中起什么作用；
这样的话，才能迅速的找到其修饰的对象，直至最后解题！

你呢？有什么建议？

isuffering

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-6 15:04:00的发言：
   还有一列没找到，就是考it is hoped那题

Tocean0222, is it the following sentence?

Modernizing the steel mill, a program that can, it is hoped, be completed in the late 1980's, will cost approximately 51 million dollars.(xdf-s2-16)

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isuffering

TOCEAN0222,

I think that No.6,No.9 may be  correct,

since,
it's one of the following two formal structures in Gmat,

like A, B ...
unlike A, B...

and since

以下是引用1stzhang在2003-7-6 9:30:00的发言：
插入语只要不违背两个原则就可以：
（1）不可以把句子的主要意思部分放在插入语，
在gmat语法中体现有几个题目，比如把比较中的主体部分：less than放为插入语，就是错误的；
（2）不产生歧义。

how do you think?

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tocean0222

以下是引用isuffering在2003-7-7 11:59:00的发言：
TOCEAN0222,

I think that No.6,No.9 may be  correct,

since,
it's one of the following two formal structures in Gmat,

like A, B ...
unlike A, B...

and since



how do you think?
  

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isuffering，

先谢谢你帮我找得句子！
1、你说的结构是对的，但是你要注意like..或unlike..都是提前作了状语，而不是在句中作插入语。
2、6、9两句前面如果没有because就对了，这种用法可能老外也看的懂，但不符合英语的习惯用法---一般把插入语放在其修饰或密切关联的中心词后面，例子前面我举了很多了。你也可以留意在阅读中找找跟6、9类似的句子，相信很难找到。

所以我个人认为最好不要认为类似6、9句的结构是对的！



good luck!

isuffering

以下是引用1stzhang在2003-7-5 22:46:00的发言：

tocean0222说的1句是省略了第一个as，这种用法的确存在，但是在非正式文体中.我觉得这种用法在gmat中是不允许的，as+adjective or adverb +as才是standard english;”

tocean0222 这个观点我不同意，gmat地语法是比较答案，1这种只是不正规不能说不对，但是在选择地时候不可以轻易地放弃答案

Tocean0222,lstzhang,

So appreciate your discussion,thanks.

As to no. 1 sentence, I got some idea from your discussion.

It seems that  Sentence 1 is still a question sentence, i.e.,we  can't make sure whether it's correct in Gmat though we know that it's not formal.

Anyway, we can choose the better one from the choices through killing some obvious errors,right?  

Thanks again.

isuffering

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-7 12:30:00的发言：
6、9两句前面如果没有because就对了，这种用法可能老外也看的懂，但不符合英语的习惯用法---一般把插入语放在其修饰或密切关联的中心词后面，例子前面我举了很多了。你也可以留意在阅读中找找跟6、9类似的句子，相信很难找到。

所以我个人认为最好不要认为类似6、9句的结构是对的！

Thanks tocean0222, I see.

So let me still call No.6.No.9 question sentences like No.1