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When Congress reconvenes, some newly elected members from rural states will try and establish tighter restrictions for the amount of grain farmers are to be allowed to grow and to encourage more aggressive sales of United States farm products overseas.

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发表于 2012-7-17 17:04:09 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
When Congress reconvenes, some newly elected members from rural states will try and establish tighter restrictions for the amount of grain farmers are to be allowed to grow and to encourage more aggressive sales of United States farm products overseas.
(A) and establish tighter restrictions for the amount of grain farmers are to be allowed ti to grow and to encourage
(B) and establish tighter restrictions on the amount of grain able to be grown by farmers and encouraging
(C) establishing tighter restrictions for the amount of grain farmers are allowed to grow and to encourage
(D) to establish tighter restrictions on the amount of grain capable of being grown by farmers and encouraging
(E) to establish tighter restrictions on the amount of grain farmers will be allowed to grow and to encourage




这题选E,小菜知道,但小菜有个问题一直不明白,求各位指点,问题如下:


题中的  try,若不考虑和下面的encourage平行,try and 和try doing 这两种形式是否在语义上说的通???


第一部分,对于try and establish:


小菜自己觉得不行,举个例子吧:


i eat and drink 我边吃边喝 ~ 这个and应该表示“同时进行”,逻辑上可以成立
open the door and sit down ~这个and应该表示“一先一后的逻辑顺序平行”,即先进门,然后坐下,逻辑上也成立~


那来看 sb try and establish restrictions  
这个东东肯定不可能是边“尝试”,边“发布”,所以第一种说不通~
第二种呢,sb先“尝试”,然后“发表” ,语义上显然不同,因为try这个词是:有方向性的词,趋向性的感觉~单独的try,谁知道你在try什么?


所以try and establish不对~
所以这个时候可能就会去想try to establish restriction(设法发表规则),显然这个在语义上没有错误,还能把try和establish很好地连接起来,所以:要在establish前面加to~~


所以我认为,加to不单单是说:为了平行而平行,而是根据语义,然后观察,然后根据语义恰好是两个并列的意思,然后发现to do..and to do用作平行还不赖,然后才对的~


不知道大家同意我这种说法吗?


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第二部分,还有关于这里的try to do & try doing~~


因为在这题中,“when........, elected members will .......” 这是一个时间点上的事情,也就是说“当他们重新集合后,the next thing they need to do” 就是后面will要表达的东西了~~~
小菜记得baby姐说过


began studying   表目的   ultimate goal.
began to study    表“this is what we are going to do” (有点动作的感觉)
所以,对于此题,在先不考虑 平行 的时候,try to do 也应该是最好的选择~~~
(不知道baby姐这点是否同意哈~)


(ps:to baby姐:起初我一直以为try to do 和 try doing是比较特殊的固定搭配,因为从中文感觉不大对劲,感觉应该不会适用您的那个:began studying & began to study~
~但后来想了想baby姐的例子,觉得还是按上面所说的解释才对,而不是简单的用中文翻译来比较~~)
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-17 17:04:41 | 只看该作者
小菜求共鸣,我写了好久好久~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~特别求baby姐啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊,好想念您~~~~~~~~~
板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-17 17:08:42 | 只看该作者
地板
发表于 2012-7-17 17:14:11 | 只看该作者
try to do (seek to accomplish) vs. try doing (experiment with)
摘自manhattan 5th, 貌似本句中,如果用try doing 挺ridiculous的。bob觉得呢?
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发表于 2012-7-17 17:16:52 | 只看该作者
TRY

RIGHT:    They WILL TRY TO BUILD a company. (= intent or purpose)
………………………………………………
SUSPECT:    We TRIED BREAKING the door down. (= experiment)
………………………………………………
WRONG:    They WILL TRY AND BUILD a company.
They WILL TRY THAT THEY BUILD a company.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-17 17:27:48 | 只看该作者
try to do (seek to accomplish) vs. try doing (experiment with)
摘自manhattan 5th, 貌似本句中,如果用try doing 挺ridiculous的。bob觉得呢?
-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/7/17 17:14:11)

先谢谢“金童”看了这些哈,蛮多的~
对于你说的,我就也是这么觉得的,翻译上确实是别扭,但这应该只是一方面~用我说的另一个方面解释也是可以解释的通的应该~~

(ps:小菜更喜欢热刺的Bale,嘿嘿~)
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-17 17:30:05 | 只看该作者
TRY

RIGHT:    They WILL TRY TO BUILD a company. (= intent or purpose)
………………………………………………
SUSPECT:    We TRIED BREAKING the door down. (= experiment)
………………………………………………
WRONG:    They WILL TRY AND BUILD a company.
They WILL TRY THAT THEY BUILD a company.
-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/7/17 17:16:52)

good example~~~小菜以为,和这里的try有异曲同工之妙~~~
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发表于 2012-7-17 17:32:20 | 只看该作者
同意哈,说的其实是一回事。加油~
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发表于 2012-7-17 17:40:04 | 只看该作者
我已经跟不上楼主的思路了。。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-17 17:48:34 | 只看该作者
我已经跟不上楼主的思路了。。。。。
-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/7/17 17:40:04)

不要这样嘛小哥~~~~对了,我有og12 阅读的pdf ,我平时打印就用那个,打出来和og的书一样,你还要吗,要我就发给你~~
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