OG12 110在这个题目中我问个非主流的独立主格的奇葩问题吧

zhongshanlh

个人认为这两个形容词是做noun modifier，仅仅修饰名词weather，所以不需要用副词。。。

年龄上您肯定是我大哥啊吼吼
看到您举得两个例子，其中第一个例子 Being hot and humid, the weather repels people from the streets.
我认为这里的being是可以省略掉的，直接用形容词放在句首作为noun modifier，修饰句子的主语the weather，应该没有问题的吧？

您的第一条建议关于being，因为自己也知道这个being是GMAT中一个比较麻烦的不大不小的考点，所以对于being正确的情况很敏感，什么human being啊，独立主格中的being，做主语的being等等，所以这里好不容易看到一个独立主格中的being并且觉得语法上木有问题的，很敏感很激动啊。。。

E句结构可能没错，但是句中语法点有问题 （A & B, who ... his...),而且BEING引导前面的MODIFIER是被认为REDUNDANT AND AWKWARD，所以不做考虑。

1，BEING在GMAT中对的几率很小，因为很多时候被看作是REDUNDANT;
2, 不要去考虑错的选项为什么可以对，而是去考虑为什么对的选项比错的选项好。

-- by 会员 movcn (2012/4/9 11:56:12)

-- by 会员 zhongshanlh (2012/4/9 13:08:15)

不好意思，小弟才疏学浅，不太懂一些语法的专门名词，比如独立诸葛啊神马的。真心不明白。。。


Being在GMAT中,很多情况下是可以省掉的，或者以其他方式代替。换句话说，BEING在GMAT考试的很多句子中是可以被省略的（不能省略的除外: Being hot and humid, the weather repels people from the streets. (OR)  The order is being processed.)。既然能省略掉，就会被认为是 REDUNDANT.

-- by 会员 movcn (2012/4/9 14:54:23)

-- by 会员 zhongshanlh (2012/4/9 15:20:11)

去掉BEING, 句子就不正确了吧。。。
如果去掉BEING，则前面的就成为副词了，应该是
Hotly and humidly, the weather repels...

-- by 会员 movcn (2012/4/9 16:05:38)

llssyy93

LZ````E不是独立主格结构····

zhongshanlh

E选项中的being是独立主格的典型用法？TX你为什么说不是独立主格呢？

LZ````E不是独立主格结构····

-- by 会员 llssyy93 (2012/5/6 9:43:15)

llssyy93

贴一段Ron的原话
in choice (e), the initial modifier is actually incorrect, not just awkward. (it's not a very good idea for second-language speakers to try to absorb the idea of what is “awkward” and what is not; for the most part, it's impossible to develop that intuition without decades of high-level experience with the language in question.)
in particular, if you are going to use this sort of construction (which is called an “absolute phrase”, if you want to google it) as an initial modifier, it should start with a possessive. for instance:
his hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> correct
the hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> incorrect; we don't know whose hands.**

the initial modifier in choice (e) has the same problem: it starts with "the owner and editor". this is unacceptable for the same reason.
O(∩_∩)O~~~~~~~~所以E不是独立主格啊~在句首的独立主格结构必须要表明所属啊

zhongshanlh

in particular, if you are going to use this sort of construction (which is called an “absolute phrase”, if you want to google it) as an initial modifier, it should start with a possessive. for instance:
his hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> correct
the hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> incorrect; we don't know whose hands.**

-- by 会员 llssyy93 (2012/5/7 12:49:46)

受教啦受教啦~以前真不知道这个！谢谢啦

zhongshanlh

贴一段Ron的原话
in choice (e), the initial modifier is actually incorrect, not just awkward. (it's not a very good idea for second-language speakers to try to absorb the idea of what is “awkward” and what is not; for the most part, it's impossible to develop that intuition without decades of high-level experience with the language in question.)
in particular, if you are going to use this sort of construction (which is called an “absolute phrase”, if you want to google it) as an initial modifier, it should start with a possessive. for instance:
his hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> correct
the hands shaking with anticipation, joseph went up to the door and knocked. --> incorrect; we don't know whose hands.**

the initial modifier in choice (e) has the same problem: it starts with "the owner and editor". this is unacceptable for the same reason.
O(∩_∩)O~~~~~~~~所以E不是独立主格啊~在句首的独立主格结构必须要表明所属啊

-- by 会员 llssyy93 (2012/5/7 12:49:46)

wangjieava23

先mark, 正在弄别的问题。回来再看

zhongshanlh

嗯，看完了一起讨论下吧嘿嘿

先mark, 正在弄别的问题。回来再看

-- by 会员 wangjieava23 (2012/5/7 14:53:33)

wangjieava23

恩恩, 是 absolute phrase. manhattan 语法里有。

但是，我拿不准这样的phrase 里出现being 怎么理解。作为分词，形容词词性？

A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer's Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by a Black American—the others being Richard Wright's Native Son and Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man

这个划线部分也应该是absolute phrase, 核心名词就是the others，being Richard.....是修饰成分。对吗？

superbat28

The owner and editor being two young man, the Messenger was published in XXX.  这样的话，我倒还能接受。

但E，又在young man后面加了个 ,Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, 就让我感觉很诡异了。给人一种修饰对象转来转去，非常不清晰的感觉。

单就这道题而言，我的看法是“一定要十分明确和重视，整个句子到底哪里是重点，哪里是作者要强调的地方”==>即要考虑语义。也就是说E的话，由于主谓宾是The Messenger was published. 但其实，我觉得这道题很明显，作者的重点不是想强调它在哪出版的，所以应该以“有意义的句义”问“根本目的出发点”从而寻找能正确表达作者想要意思的句子表达，并保证没有语法错误。   这是这道题，包括看OG很多“似乎语法上都很简单的题”的一个营养所在，就是去破译、理解句子的句义，并把语法和句义结合起来考虑SC问题。

单说独立主格，我个人的感觉，是E的这个独立主格显得很没意义。比如His hands shaking, he went into the room. 像这种句子，his hands shaking尽管是独立主格，是表示“主句的伴随”，但是这个独立主格和句子主句是存在一定的逻辑关系的，也就是说“如果2者没有什么直接或潜在的关系，干嘛要用一种语法手段把他们结合在一起呢？”

但是这道题E选项，我就觉得这个并不是特别有逻辑关系的独立主格和主句。所以，我个人觉得这里用独立主格没什么意义~