MIT/COLUMBIA?

shinliu53

In your case, I would put more weight to location when comparing the two schools.  For graduate school, you are basically looking for two things, brand name and location.

In Finance, Columbia and MIT have equal brand name, means neither is more prestigious than the other, in China and in the United States.
Location-wise, Columbia is in NYC, NYC>Boston if you want to do Finance and find a job, the two cities are just so different.  I agree that NYC is more playable and Boston is nicer, but hey are you taking guys personality/quality of the city into consideration when you make the choice?  That sounds really naive to me at least.

Basically I think you need to know exactly what you are looking for.  Both schools have similar brand name no matter you stay or you come back, then why not give yourself more flexibility by choosing a location that can lead to more opportunities of staying?

After all, I don't think you could go wrong with either choice.  After going through so many interviews, I realize the more technical stuff can easily impress more people.  Well I understand you don't like math as much, but hey it's only 8 months, I don't think that's the major factor you should consider.  That's just my 2 cents.

(and sorry there is no chinese typing in the lab)

-- by 会员 lanmine (2012/2/28 2:26:19)

Thoughtful argument

I still vote for MIT given LZ is a lady who claims that She doesn't want to see to many crazy math anymore

Yes I agree with LS location is important ... but I don't think there is a big gap job searching wise btw Bos and NYC considered the fact LZ has an offer from Sloan.
LS's location logic will more applies to Pace V. Northeastern, in that case I would say location matters the most...

About brand name ... well I think sometimes placement record is more important... Hypothetically: if I receive offers from Columbia NYU( most likely will get dinged ) CMU(NYC) Mfe programs ... the 1st one I will eliminate will be Columbia...  I think HYP + MIT + Stanford are in a league of their own .... but that's probably just my own ignorance about school brands ....

-- by 会员 shinliu53 (2012/2/28 2:38:20)

comesagain

In your case, I would put more weight to location when comparing the two schools.  For graduate school, you are basically looking for two things, brand name and location.

In Finance, Columbia and MIT have equal brand name, means neither is more prestigious than the other, in China and in the United States.
Location-wise, Columbia is in NYC, NYC>Boston if you want to do Finance and find a job, the two cities are just so different.  I agree that NYC is more playable and Boston is nicer, but hey are you taking guys personality/quality of the city into consideration when you make the choice?  That sounds really naive to me at least.

Basically I think you need to know exactly what you are looking for.  Both schools have similar brand name no matter you stay or you come back, then why not give yourself more flexibility by choosing a location that can lead to more opportunities of staying?

After all, I don't think you could go wrong with either choice.  After going through so many interviews, I realize the more technical stuff can easily impress more people.  Well I understand you don't like math as much, but hey it's only 8 months, I don't think that's the major factor you should consider.  That's just my 2 cents.

(and sorry there is no chinese typing in the lab)

-- by 会员 lanmine (2012/2/28 2:26:19)

in finance Columbia is absolutely better than MIT. although it's not CBS, but columbia in general definitely has a bigger presence in finance than MIT. presence&prestige in finance: upenn=chicago=stanford>columbia=nyu>the rest.

Also, mfin in MIT is not a good choice if you want to go quant. but seems you don't wanna go quant either, so...

lanmine

In your case, I would put more weight to location when comparing the two schools.  For graduate school, you are basically looking for two things, brand name and location.

In Finance, Columbia and MIT have equal brand name, means neither is more prestigious than the other, in China and in the United States.
Location-wise, Columbia is in NYC, NYC>Boston if you want to do Finance and find a job, the two cities are just so different.  I agree that NYC is more playable and Boston is nicer, but hey are you taking guys personality/quality of the city into consideration when you make the choice?  That sounds really naive to me at least.

Basically I think you need to know exactly what you are looking for.  Both schools have similar brand name no matter you stay or you come back, then why not give yourself more flexibility by choosing a location that can lead to more opportunities of staying?

After all, I don't think you could go wrong with either choice.  After going through so many interviews, I realize the more technical stuff can easily impress more people.  Well I understand you don't like math as much, but hey it's only 8 months, I don't think that's the major factor you should consider.  That's just my 2 cents.

(and sorry there is no chinese typing in the lab)

-- by 会员 lanmine (2012/2/28 2:26:19)

Thoughtful argument

I still vote for MIT given LZ is an adorable lady who claims that She doesn't want to see to many crazy math anymore

Yes I agree with LS location is important ... but I don't think there is a big gap job searching wise btw Bos and NYC considered the fact LZ has an offer from Sloan.
LS's location logic will more applies to Pace V. Northeastern, in that case I would say location matters the most...

About brand name ... well I think sometimes placement record is more important... Hypothetically: if I receive offers from Columbia NYU( most likely will get dinged ) CMU(NYC) Mfe programs ... the 1st one I will eliminate will be Columbia...  I think HYP + MIT + Stanford are in a league of their own .... but that's probably just my own ignorance about school brands ....

-- by 会员 shinliu53 (2012/2/28 2:38:20)

since graduate school is just one year, I think the location becomes much more important than undergraduate/phd.  generally speaking, there are more opportunities in nyc comparing to boston.  boston is more about investment management firms, the investment banks like goldman's office in boston is really small, morgan stanley does have a pretty big office there but it is mostly smith barney.


this is only the 3rd year of the mfin program at mit, and i think it has a lot to prove.  this year, mfin's job placement is not doing so well considering the market, and next year there is 120 students.  im not doubting the reputation of sloan (although in mit people think everything but sloan > sloan lol), but just saying this program is new and there is something uncertain about.  given the tuition fee (including living expense over 100,000) and how it just started, it would be a more reasonable choice to go for columbia if you have their offer.


After all, this is not something  that can be measured by ranking.  yes, generally hypsm are the best, i agree, but when it comes to finance, when you have offer from yale and columbia and choose yale, well what can i say?  it is no doubt columbia in this case.  what about mit and columbia?  depends on the program and if you want to find a job in the US.  if yes, go for columbia.


however, in the end, both schools are great, i don't think you would go 'wrong' with either.  i personally think if you have a job offer and do not need to worry about staying or finding a job, go with the one you love.  otherwise, you can't just let your own preference of math/programming play such an important role in your decision.  i think that's what teenagers do.

lanmine

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in finance Columbia is absolutely better than MIT. although it's not CBS, but columbia in general definitely has a bigger presence in finance than MIT. presence&prestige in finance: upenn=chicago=stanford>columbia=nyu>the rest.

Also, mfin in MIT is not a good choice if you want to go quant. but seems you don't wanna go quant either, so...

-- by 会员 comesagain (2012/2/28 2:51:35)

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agree with the finance brand name part, columbia > mit

comesagain

我觉得MIT的名气比哥大好很多。
MIT=神
哥大=ivy

-- by 会员 rice1989 (2012/2/28 0:32:56)

美国（还有英国）很多名校扩招后原来是神的学校现在都不神了。。。只有HYPS还在矜持的维护着自己的学生整体水平 物以稀为贵这是所有人的共同想法

shinliu53

in finance Columbia is absolutely better than MIT. although it's not CBS, but columbia in general definitely has a bigger presence in finance than MIT. presence&prestige in finance: upenn=chicago=stanford>columbia=nyu>the rest.

Also, mfin in MIT is not a good choice if you want to go quant. but seems you don't wanna go quant either, so...

-- by 会员 comesagain (2012/2/28 2:51:35)

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agree with the finance brand name part, columbia > mit

-- by 会员 lanmine (2012/2/28 2:55:28)

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I can't argue about the Finance brand name ranking you guys have ... probably I stay in nyc for too long and have seen so many ppl who are not that impressive( OF COURSE there are tons of god like level NN who go to Columbia) go to Columbia graduate school(Not Law,B or Med school) master programs ... again that's probably my own ignorance of the knowledge I have on Columbia ...

Columbia MFE is great program ... I think there is one thing we can all agree on ... LZ's headache school choice problem is a "Xin Fu" headache lol

comesagain

其实top10的学校都差不多，就学校牌子来说选哪个对自己找工作的结果都几乎没有影响，唯一决定的是你自身的水平以及对你所找工作的领域的了解理解。既然lz不喜欢数学那必然学不好quant，那还为何跟大批大批比你更优秀的人来竞争呢

如果仅仅是为了留美而选择专业是非常不明智的，你需要结合自己的目标理想来选择起始点。

PS：如果真要留美还不如去学CS

Kotinni

atl = atlanta?

-- by 会员 1dong2f (2012/2/27 23:21:27)

是的
诶我知道这个小职位入不了大神们的眼...不过我私以为挺好的!
虽然不那么高端可是也不那么intense
而且atl住的很舒服的缩...

-- by 会员 Kotinni (2012/2/27 23:24:48)

its really a good job. u can wear t-shirt to work every day and can have first hand experience to the market. Chief investment officer is in the group and CFO often drops by. NO ONE WAS FIRED EVEN DURING FINANCIAL CRISIS... good pay (starting position is AVP). I don't know why u did not take it... its very competitive to get in. most ppl are phds. ....

-- by 会员 dafasod (2012/2/28 2:41:00)

我没拿到offer啦 我也觉得他们不可能要我。。
我去年夏初还没定计划时翻他们online system翻到的
就网申了
过几天收到HR回复要我填一个很长的questionaire还有最新resume我一方面渐渐觉得还是先读硕士 一方面觉得他们不可能要我 最重要是知道自己其实不想做矿工
就没什么兴趣 但还是回了
HR哥回说我没附简历
我忘了。。其实简历完全没变化
赶紧回
结果我的回信卡在mac的邮件软件里没发出去。。。囧
然后冬天大概十二月还是今年一月的时候我才发现。。
不小心还把它又发出去了
facepalm。。
结果神奇的事发生了！
对方居然像没事一样立刻回复了
问我现在在干嘛 在哪个city 什么身份

也许我们学校对于这个职位而言does count
不过我这样zero network, zero WE, bachelor of science, zero effort...
Can go that far..
说明了也许世道没有有些cder想的那么坏吧~

而且你看我们的同学
我熟人里想在美国找工作的其实都找到了
只是不见得那么风光罢了

其实为什么一定要去gs, jp, ms什么的
人各有志
很多人向往BB只是不小心从众心理使然吧

真的能survive并且enjoy那样的工作强度的很少很少

其实BB是finance里太小的一个部分了

Kotinni

intern or full time?

忽然想起来我之前被BOA(atl)差点录了做矿工...
摊手

我当时那个散漫, 低积极性, 弱履历+一个大mistake都能蛮接近那个职位
可见机会也还是很多的 没有那么严峻(?)

-- by 会员 Kotinni (2012/2/27 23:08:34)

-- by 会员 qwer3200 (2012/2/28 0:59:00)

Full time

-- by 会员 Kotinni (2012/2/28 1:44:31)

they have certain procedures to hire full time ppl. three hours test and programming on site. very stressful. they recently hired a post doc from GA TECH.... md is emory's alumni. thats why u may have a chance ... but i highly doubt they will hire a fresh ba. When i was interviewing with CMU, rick knew most of the ppl in the group...

-- by 会员 dafasod (2012/2/28 2:46:05)

gasp。。好可怕
所以我就觉得我不可能啊。。

而且我那时候还在迷糊mode。。。
我真的这半年才觉醒。。。其实也许现在只是稍微不迷糊了一点也说不定。。

啊！发这帖的时候刷到purdue的interview。。。。。。

qwer3200

大家都盯着BB firm上，自然。。。

atl = atlanta?

-- by 会员 1dong2f (2012/2/27 23:21:27)

是的
诶我知道这个小职位入不了大神们的眼...不过我私以为挺好的!
虽然不那么高端可是也不那么intense
而且atl住的很舒服的缩...

-- by 会员 Kotinni (2012/2/27 23:24:48)

its really a good job. u can wear t-shirt to work every day and can have first hand experience to the market. Chief investment officer is in the group and CFO often drops by. NO ONE WAS FIRED EVEN DURING FINANCIAL CRISIS... good pay (starting position is AVP). I don't know why u did not take it... its very competitive to get in. most ppl are phds. ....

-- by 会员 dafasod (2012/2/28 2:41:00)

我没拿到offer啦 我也觉得他们不可能要我。。
我去年夏初还没定计划时翻他们online system翻到的
就网申了
过几天收到HR回复要我填一个很长的questionaire还有最新resume我一方面渐渐觉得还是先读硕士 一方面觉得他们不可能要我 最重要是知道自己其实不想做矿工
就没什么兴趣 但还是回了
HR哥回说我没附简历
我忘了。。其实简历完全没变化
赶紧回
结果我的回信卡在mac的邮件软件里没发出去。。。囧
然后冬天大概十二月还是今年一月的时候我才发现。。
不小心还把它又发出去了
facepalm。。
结果神奇的事发生了！
对方居然像没事一样立刻回复了
问我现在在干嘛 在哪个city 什么身份

也许我们学校对于这个职位而言does count
不过我这样zero network, zero WE, bachelor of science, zero effort...
Can go that far..
说明了也许世道没有有些cder想的那么坏吧~

而且你看我们的同学
我熟人里想在美国找工作的其实都找到了
只是不见得那么风光罢了

其实为什么一定要去gs, jp, ms什么的
人各有志
很多人向往BB只是不小心从众心理使然吧

真的能survive并且enjoy那样的工作强度的很少很少

其实BB是finance里太小的一个部分了

-- by 会员 Kotinni (2012/2/28 3:14:10)