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求关注~!求讨论啊~! OG12 verbal 87题

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11#
发表于 2012-2-6 23:17:06 | 只看该作者
也不简洁~~
12#
发表于 2012-2-9 00:49:19 | 只看该作者
对于为什么这里those比they要好,lz估计没注意。those是指代同一类事物,而they是指代前面出现的具体事物,所以这里只能用those,不然逻辑错!至于
rose和what they did平行,形式上动词和从句就不平行了。
-- by 会员 michaelmay17 (2012/2/6 15:48:57)



michael我想问问啊~那个those是不是只有作单独指代的时候的时候才一定要补全后面的名词的?
像这种比较题的those/that是不用补全后面名词的?
前两天研究代词指代的时候整理these和those的时候就说了要补全后面的名词,Prep08-Q163上面的D选项也是因为这个毙掉的。是不是this/these/that/those单独作主语或宾语和that/those在比较题里的指代不一样啊?
这题选D看着那个those心里总是有点忐忑~(下面附前面讲到的Prep的题目啊~)

Because there are provisions of the new maritime code that provide that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, they have already stimulated international disputes over uninhabited islands.

A.Because there are provisions of the new maritime code that provide that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, they have already stimulated

B.Because the new maritime code provides that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, it has already stimulated

C.Even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, already stimulating

D.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, this has already stimulated(B)

E.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, which is already stimulating
13#
发表于 2012-2-9 19:59:09 | 只看该作者
michael同学讲得一针见血。
it, they ------same actual thing
that, those --------a new copy or copies
见Manhattan SC p.71

另外lz这道题,D/E之间还有一个重要的差异点(100%的语法规则),可以让我们直接锁定正确选项,那就是标点!
(D)    as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
(E)    as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did
注意到"and in some parts even faster than"是个插入成分。对于插入成分,逗号必须成对(前后都有or都没有),你不能前面有逗号,后面没逗号,就像E那样是语法规则不允许的。
我个人觉得做这道题用这个判据更快,也绝对可靠

至于teddybear同学提的问题,我觉得是这么理解:对于一个句子,如果读者能够清晰地读懂它的意思,那么这句子就是effective的。当然,我们assume读者有基本的逻辑能力。
比如原题:
87D. Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those outside the pinelands.
句子这么写出来,既然是比较吧,必须两者可比(comparable)。
前者是"land values in most parts of the pinelands"
后者是"those outside the pinelands"
那么我们想,当those=land values的时候,这个比较是成立的
当those=别的东东时,例如我们令those=most parts,那么这个比较是不成立的
因此,作为读者,我们根据比较成立与否,就能够得出来those=land values,这是毫无疑问的,毫无歧义的。
也就是说这个句子是effective的。

然后再看你那道题:
D.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, this has already stimulated
这个this指代的东西太多了,读者感觉作者原意也许是this=the whole idea that (every islets can be the basis for claims)
但在咱读者看来,"the whole idea"并没有说明白,这只是咱的推测
然后this可以指代basis, 也可以指代new maritime code....都符合情理

OK,其实我更想跳出来,从大局观出发——
Because----强因果关系
D的句子,你提炼下主干:Because islets can be basis for claims, this has stimulated ____.
从主干里,你读出because的意味了么?没有吧。(更何况,你不知道this是啥。)
然后看正确句子,提炼主干:
Because maritime code provides that _______, it has stimulated ______.
好了,尽管我们不知道细节(就是上面的blank),但我们能很清晰地读出因果关系,是吧?
A provides X; therefore, A stimulates Y.      (X and Y are somehow related)

其实,很多SC题目,从句意逻辑出发,都会变得很简单。
比如,当你看到强逻辑关系的indicator,诸如because, therefore, but, although...的时候,你提炼主干,看看主干能不能体现这个逻辑意思。很多错误选项,就是把重要意思放在了modifier,而次要信息放在了主干上。正确选项恰恰是主干表达中心意思,且分句与分句之间的逻辑衔接特别顺畅。


对于为什么这里those比they要好,lz估计没注意。those是指代同一类事物,而they是指代前面出现的具体事物,所以这里只能用those,不然逻辑错!至于
rose和what they did平行,形式上动词和从句就不平行了。
-- by 会员 michaelmay17 (2012/2/6 15:48:57)






michael我想问问啊~那个those是不是只有作单独指代的时候的时候才一定要补全后面的名词的?
像这种比较题的those/that是不用补全后面名词的?
前两天研究代词指代的时候整理these和those的时候就说了要补全后面的名词,Prep08-Q163上面的D选项也是因为这个毙掉的。是不是this/these/that/those单独作主语或宾语和that/those在比较题里的指代不一样啊?
这题选D看着那个those心里总是有点忐忑~(下面附前面讲到的Prep的题目啊~)

Because there are provisions of the new maritime code that provide that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, they have already stimulated international disputes over uninhabited islands.

A.Because there are provisions of the new maritime code that provide that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, they have already stimulated

B.Because the new maritime code provides that even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas, it has already stimulated

C.Even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, already stimulating

D.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, this has already stimulated(B)

E.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, which is already stimulating
-- by 会员 teddybearj4 (2012/2/9 0:49:19)



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发表于 2012-2-9 20:09:59 | 只看该作者
"What they did"肯定错,想想比较双方分别是啥?

Land values (in pinelands) rose (fast).
They did (outside pinelands) (adverb).
以上两个句子,我写出来了,我们的比较,就是比较第一个句子里面的fast,和第二个句子里面的adverb
换句话说,是否同样fast?
好啦,如果我们要针对这个adverb提问,我们用How they did? 对不对?

They did well.  ---> Q: How they did?  A: Well.
They did their homework. ---> Q: What they did?   A: Their homework.

所以这题"what they did"就是错的。

    87.    Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did outside the pinelands.
    (A)    so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did
    (B)    so fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (C)    as fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (D)    as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (E)    as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did
    OG答案选D,解释是those指代land values,E项what they did和land values不平行,但我认为,fast和even faster都是修饰rose的,所以如果what they did是指代rose的话就是rose和what they did平行,这样貌似更合理~ 求NN分析一下~
    还有一个问题~OG verbal 43题中的一个语法点,题目就不贴了,弱弱的问下,may后面是要接动词原形吗?没什么第三人称单数形式吧?这个问题比较白痴,但我不太确信,求NN认证
    求关注~!求讨论啊~!

-- by 会员 ctlll (2012/2/6 15:39:50)

15#
发表于 2012-2-9 21:38:41 | 只看该作者
michael同学讲得一针见血。
it, they ------same actual thing
that, those --------a new copy or copies
见Manhattan SC p.71

另外lz这道题,D/E之间还有一个重要的差异点(100%的语法规则),可以让我们直接锁定正确选项,那就是标点!
(D)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
(E)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did
注意到"and in some parts even faster than"是个插入成分。对于插入成分,逗号必须成对(前后都有or都没有),你不能前面有逗号,后面没逗号,就像E那样是语法规则不允许的。
我个人觉得做这道题用这个判据更快,也绝对可靠

至于teddybear同学提的问题,我觉得是这么理解:对于一个句子,如果读者能够清晰地读懂它的意思,那么这句子就是effective的。当然,我们assume读者有基本的逻辑能力。
比如原题:
87D. Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those outside the pinelands.
句子这么写出来,既然是比较吧,必须两者可比(comparable)。
前者是"land values in most parts of the pinelands"
后者是"those outside the pinelands"
那么我们想,当those=land values的时候,这个比较是成立的
当those=别的东东时,例如我们令those=most parts,那么这个比较是不成立的
因此,作为读者,我们根据比较成立与否,就能够得出来those=land values,这是毫无疑问的,毫无歧义的。
也就是说这个句子是effective的。

然后再看你那道题:
D.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, this has already stimulated
这个this指代的东西太多了,读者感觉作者原意也许是this=the whole idea that (every islets can be the basis for claims)
但在咱读者看来,"the whole idea"并没有说明白,这只是咱的推测
然后this可以指代basis, 也可以指代new maritime code....都符合情理

OK,其实我更想跳出来,从大局观出发——
Because----强因果关系
D的句子,你提炼下主干:Because islets can be basis for claims, this has stimulated ____.
从主干里,你读出because的意味了么?没有吧。(更何况,你不知道this是啥。)
然后看正确句子,提炼主干:
Because maritime code provides that _______, it has stimulated ______.
好了,尽管我们不知道细节(就是上面的blank),但我们能很清晰地读出因果关系,是吧?
A provides X; therefore, A stimulates Y.      (X and Y are somehow related)

其实,很多SC题目,从句意逻辑出发,都会变得很简单。
比如,当你看到强逻辑关系的indicator,诸如because, therefore, but, although...的时候,你提炼主干,看看主干能不能体现这个逻辑意思。很多错误选项,就是把重要意思放在了modifier,而次要信息放在了主干上。正确选项恰恰是主干表达中心意思,且分句与分句之间的逻辑衔接特别顺畅。


-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/9 19:59:09)



baby姐的回答总是那么的令人满意~

最近看语法有了很多新的感悟!为什么之前很多高分的同学强调做语法题的时候要讲究句意,要理解SC里的句子逻辑!最近才发现真的是特别重要!我们要记得那些条条框框的东西是活的,就也是为什么SC的答案是比较出来的。况且GMAT也是想让会变通的人,而不是死磕书的人脱颖而出的吧~就像baby姐姐说的分句内逻辑,其实我们也看到了很多,可能在很多个modifer的情况下,如果是一个subject夹着两个的modifer的时候,就会让subject和verb隔太远意思不清,两个modifier又会产生夹心修饰,但是如果把一个modifer+S+modifier+verb就变成了effective & concise的句子。这就是GMAT要追求的平衡吧~

还有比较的题,有段时间一直很迷惑,但现在发现其实最好的方法就是把后面省略的那部分给补全了,是什么和什么比较就一目了然了!自己豁然开朗的时候真的觉得啃GMAT的时光也还是挺美好的~

P.S.: baby姐你肿么每次都能这么快的根据语法点找到对应manhattan的页数!真的好神奇!你是把整本书的啃在脑子里了呀!太棒了!
16#
发表于 2012-2-9 21:40:22 | 只看该作者
"What they did"肯定错,想想比较双方分别是啥?

Land values (in pinelands) rose (fast).
They did (outside pinelands) (adverb).
以上两个句子,我写出来了,我们的比较,就是比较第一个句子里面的fast,和第二个句子里面的adverb
换句话说,是否同样fast?
好啦,如果我们要针对这个adverb提问,我们用How they did? 对不对?

They did well.  ---> Q: How they did?  A: Well.
They did their homework. ---> Q: What they did?   A: Their homework.

所以这题"what they did"就是错的。

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/9 20:09:59)



baby姐我真的好佩服你,每次都能想到这么好的例子把东西说的这么明白!
17#
发表于 2012-2-9 22:11:48 | 只看该作者
哈,我就说mm你悟性真强,果然很赞!
其实我用的pdf的那本Manhattan啊,记得关键词什么的,很简单地搜索下,就知道页数啦

michael同学讲得一针见血。
it, they ------same actual thing
that, those --------a new copy or copies
见Manhattan SC p.71

另外lz这道题,D/E之间还有一个重要的差异点(100%的语法规则),可以让我们直接锁定正确选项,那就是标点!
(D)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
(E)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did
注意到"and in some parts even faster than"是个插入成分。对于插入成分,逗号必须成对(前后都有or都没有),你不能前面有逗号,后面没逗号,就像E那样是语法规则不允许的。
我个人觉得做这道题用这个判据更快,也绝对可靠

至于teddybear同学提的问题,我觉得是这么理解:对于一个句子,如果读者能够清晰地读懂它的意思,那么这句子就是effective的。当然,我们assume读者有基本的逻辑能力。
比如原题:
87D. Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those outside the pinelands.
句子这么写出来,既然是比较吧,必须两者可比(comparable)。
前者是"land values in most parts of the pinelands"
后者是"those outside the pinelands"
那么我们想,当those=land values的时候,这个比较是成立的
当those=别的东东时,例如我们令those=most parts,那么这个比较是不成立的
因此,作为读者,我们根据比较成立与否,就能够得出来those=land values,这是毫无疑问的,毫无歧义的。
也就是说这个句子是effective的。

然后再看你那道题:
D.Because even tiny islets can be the basis for claims to the fisheries and oil fields of large sea areas under provisions of the new maritime code, this has already stimulated
这个this指代的东西太多了,读者感觉作者原意也许是this=the whole idea that (every islets can be the basis for claims)
但在咱读者看来,"the whole idea"并没有说明白,这只是咱的推测
然后this可以指代basis, 也可以指代new maritime code....都符合情理

OK,其实我更想跳出来,从大局观出发——
Because----强因果关系
D的句子,你提炼下主干:Because islets can be basis for claims, this has stimulated ____.
从主干里,你读出because的意味了么?没有吧。(更何况,你不知道this是啥。)
然后看正确句子,提炼主干:
Because maritime code provides that _______, it has stimulated ______.
好了,尽管我们不知道细节(就是上面的blank),但我们能很清晰地读出因果关系,是吧?
A provides X; therefore, A stimulates Y.      (X and Y are somehow related)

其实,很多SC题目,从句意逻辑出发,都会变得很简单。
比如,当你看到强逻辑关系的indicator,诸如because, therefore, but, although...的时候,你提炼主干,看看主干能不能体现这个逻辑意思。很多错误选项,就是把重要意思放在了modifier,而次要信息放在了主干上。正确选项恰恰是主干表达中心意思,且分句与分句之间的逻辑衔接特别顺畅。


-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/9 19:59:09)




baby姐的回答总是那么的令人满意~

最近看语法有了很多新的感悟!为什么之前很多高分的同学强调做语法题的时候要讲究句意,要理解SC里的句子逻辑!最近才发现真的是特别重要!我们要记得那些条条框框的东西是活的,就也是为什么SC的答案是比较出来的。况且GMAT也是想让会变通的人,而不是死磕书的人脱颖而出的吧~就像baby姐姐说的分句内逻辑,其实我们也看到了很多,可能在很多个modifer的情况下,如果是一个subject夹着两个的modifer的时候,就会让subject和verb隔太远意思不清,两个modifier又会产生夹心修饰,但是如果把一个modifer+S+modifier+verb就变成了effective & concise的句子。这就是GMAT要追求的平衡吧~

还有比较的题,有段时间一直很迷惑,但现在发现其实最好的方法就是把后面省略的那部分给补全了,是什么和什么比较就一目了然了!自己豁然开朗的时候真的觉得啃GMAT的时光也还是挺美好的~

P.S.: baby姐你肿么每次都能这么快的根据语法点找到对应manhattan的页数!真的好神奇!你是把整本书的啃在脑子里了呀!太棒了!
-- by 会员 teddybearj4 (2012/2/9 21:38:41)

18#
发表于 2012-2-9 22:18:58 | 只看该作者
哈哈~点拨很重要!
搜索功能真的是很强大呀!之前弄了个纸质的manhattan,果断再去下个PDF的~

哈,我就说mm你悟性真强,果然很赞!
其实我用的pdf的那本Manhattan啊,记得关键词什么的,很简单地搜索下,就知道页数啦

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/9 22:11:48)

19#
发表于 2012-11-2 10:07:47 | 只看该作者
再求一下这道题目的讨论,根据句意,难道不是land values in most parts of the pinelands rose 和 land values rose outside the pinelands (rose)的比较吗?而OG的答案D,用those指代land values,难道不是变成land values rose和land values outside pinelands比较?求大牛指点,多谢多谢!
20#
发表于 2012-11-2 10:18:28 | 只看该作者
哦,没看到第二页还有这么多详细的解释,终于看明白了,再问一下,不考虑指代问题,那如果用how they did是否就正确了呢?另外其实是否这里的D答案也不是绝对完美的,只是说是the best answer?多谢多谢!

"What they did"肯定错,想想比较双方分别是啥?

Land values (in pinelands) rose (fast).
They did (outside pinelands) (adverb).
以上两个句子,我写出来了,我们的比较,就是比较第一个句子里面的fast,和第二个句子里面的adverb
换句话说,是否同样fast?
好啦,如果我们要针对这个adverb提问,我们用How they did? 对不对?

They did well.  ---> Q: How they did?  A: Well.
They did their homework. ---> Q: What they did?   A: Their homework.

所以这题"what they did"就是错的。

    87.Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did outside the pinelands.
    (A)so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did
    (B)so fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (C)as fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (D)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
    (E)as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did
    OG答案选D,解释是those指代land values,E项what they did和land values不平行,但我认为,fast和even faster都是修饰rose的,所以如果what they did是指代rose的话就是rose和what they did平行,这样貌似更合理~ 求NN分析一下~
    还有一个问题~OG verbal 43题中的一个语法点,题目就不贴了,弱弱的问下,may后面是要接动词原形吗?没什么第三人称单数形式吧?这个问题比较白痴,但我不太确信,求NN认证
    求关注~!求讨论啊~!


-- by 会员 ctlll (2012/2/6 15:39:50)


-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/9 20:09:59)

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