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老prep150,著名争议,申请再次讨论,终结将近10年的争议。同位语&不定式,说下不同看法

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发表于 2011-12-3 18:50:19 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
The computer company has announced that it will purchase the color-printing division of a rival
company for $950 million, which is part of a deal that will make it the largest manufacturer in the
office color-printing market.
(A) million, which is part of a deal that will make

(B) million, a part of a deal that makes



(C) million, part of a deal making


(D) million as a part of a deal to make


(E) million as part of a deal that will make

1:关于概括性同位语:

pp解释:part of 表示是同位语,但 deal million 不是同类,million 是个数字 number
查看og语文分册的解释:Like a relative pronoun, the apprositive phrase (a part...) must have a noun or noun phrase as a clear antecedent .
og解释直接pass掉了 a part 。。。成为概括性同位语的说法。 那么究竟什么时候才能用概括性同位语?

我的理解:概括性同位语:pp语法笔记解释为“用一个概括性的名词去概括前面的修饰对象”
在我的理解中,这里 a part of deal 之所以不能算作概括性同位语,是因为og觉得这个短语不够简洁,全面的概括出上文所叙述的事情。
我认为:概括性同位语要能将前文一个实在的东西描述成一个虚的抽象的东西。
公司花钱买东西这个行为,可以抽象为一笔交易(a deal),但是不能抽象为 一个交易的部分(a part of a deal).加了了 a part of a deal不是抽象内容,错就错在a part 把deal 说实了。


大家觉得:如果把 part 去掉,只说deal是否可以用来抽象前面的购买行为?

2关于不定式

pp语法笔记解释:(D) to make
的修饰对象有歧义,原句是修饰 deal 的,但不定式的逻辑主语又可以是句子主语。
og上对d的解释:"as a part of a deal" to make suggests that the deal itself includes" making the company the largest manufacturer" rather than its being the outcome of the deal.

og和语法笔记上的解释是不同的。语法笔记说to do 有修饰主语的嫌疑,而og上说这里不定式的确修饰deal,但是表达的却是deal的本身特征。



那么,(1)不定式这里为什么优先作定语修饰deal?(2)又为什么修饰deal表达的却是错误的?

我的看法:
(1)不定式可以作状语和定语。因此可以修饰主语,表达主语的目的,同时可以修饰名词,表达修饰词的特征。
作目的状语:人 xx to do xx
翻译成人怎么着了,目的是怎么着。这里to do 目的状语,表达人 做出某行为的目的。那么,这个句子里,这种用法能表现出公司购买东西的目的么? og明确告诉了:不能。
问题出来了:为什么不能?各位乡亲父老怎么看不能的原因?
我的解释:
问题出在as 身上。公司 花钱买什么东西,(这事儿)as a deal to make。。 这个as 隔断了to do 与公司的连词。as a deal 是对前文的修饰,而不是通常所说的一气呵成式:“人 干了什么 为了什么。”所以to make 被限制为只能修饰deal。

征求各位看法:不定式什么时候可以跳跃,什么时候不能跳跃?还是不定式优先作定语?
人 提出一个方法/建议 to 干嘛。这种用法很多吧,to do 的逻辑主语是哪个?

(2)to make 修饰deal 为什么og上说::"as a part of a deal" to make suggests that the deal itself includes" making the company the largest manufacturer" rather than its being the outcome of the deal.

我想确认下:是不是to do 作定语不能表达出修饰词的结果,只能表达出修饰词本身的某些特征.是不是要和他修饰的词有逻辑上的主谓或者动宾关系?

如果如此解释,就说明deal 本身不包括“将公司变成最大xx”这一内容。

翻身打滚求不定式修饰详细用法。附两道不定式题请求讨论
OG10-39For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

A.a method to protect

B.as a method protecting

C.protecting

D.as a protection of

E.to protect



The underlined part of the sentence begins a phrase describing items of military equipment. It is awkward and inaccurate to describe items as a method. Replacing the underlined phrase with the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.

AA method to protect is an awkward reference to items

BThe singular a method should not refer to the plural items, as a method protecting is not idiomatic

CCorrect. In this sentence, protecting properly introduces a modifying phrase revealing the purpose of the items.

DBeginning the phrase with as is incorrect; using the noun form protection creates wordiness

EThe infinitive to protect cannot act as an adjective modifying items; the participial form of the verb, protecting, is required



Scientists claim that the discovery of the first authenticated mammal bones in amber could provide important clues of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies.





Scientists claim that the discovery of the first authenticated mammal bones in amber could provide important clues of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies.

A. of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies


B .in the determination of how and when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals


C. to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did

D. for determining when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals and how they were




Scientists claim that the discovery of the first authenticated mammal bones in amber could provide important clues of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies.

A. of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies


B .in the determination of how and when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals



C. to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did

D. for determining when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals and how they were



特别提下这道题。这里c选项不定式是不对的。 因为他没有逻辑主语,discovery 不能发出to determin 的动作。修饰clue也不能发出该动作。

只能用for doing 表示目的。

召唤NN~啊啊


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沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2011-12-3 19:47:59 | 只看该作者
up~up~~
难道没有人对这道题满是疑问吗?
板凳
发表于 2011-12-8 02:55:08 | 只看该作者
又见牛角帝
Business sense, 成为最大的不是目的,是结果。

To protect前面没逗号的话才能说得过去

第三题你已经自问自答了
地板
 楼主| 发表于 2011-12-8 08:45:26 | 只看该作者
又见牛角帝
Business sense, 成为最大的不是目的,是结果。

To protect前面没逗号的话才能说得过去

第三题你已经自问自答了
-- by 会员 HarrisZheng (2011/12/8 2:55:08)



再问:,to do”这种形式是不是连状语都做不成?
如果可以作目的状语的话,那说前半句话的method 的目的是为了protect可以不?
或者是因为to do 需要有动作发出者?
不定式还真是纠结~
5#
发表于 2011-12-8 21:43:47 | 只看该作者
不定式当然可以做状语

animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.  这样就可以 但是, 在这个句子中不定式还不是状语, 而是定语

当不定式做状语时,有逻辑主语时时候自然要求逻辑主语合理。

你可以判断一下两个句子

To perform well in GMAT, you need a thorough preparation.

To perform well in GMAT, a thorough preparation is what you need.
6#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-12-8 22:09:03 | 只看该作者
不定式当然可以做状语

animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.  这样就可以 但是, 在这个句子中不定式还不是状语, 而是定语

当不定式做状语时,有逻辑主语时时候自然要求逻辑主语合理。

你可以判断一下两个句子

To perform well in GMAT, you need a thorough preparation.

To perform well in GMAT, a thorough preparation is what you need.
-- by 会员 HarrisZheng (2011/12/8 21:43:47)


谢谢解答。
我的意思是“,to do”的形式,不定式放在句首不会引起歧义当然可以了。但是,不定式会有作定语的歧义还是怎么着,我就没看到过做目的状语了。这种可以么》?
7#
发表于 2011-12-8 22:17:07 | 只看该作者
没看过做目的状语?
我给你举一个

I save money to buy fancy stuff。
8#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-12-8 22:23:48 | 只看该作者
没看过做目的状语?
我给你举一个

I save money to buy fancy stuff。
-- by 会员 HarrisZheng (2011/12/8 22:17:07)


大哥,逗号。。。、。。。。。。。
9#
发表于 2011-12-8 22:24:53 | 只看该作者
不可以加逗号的
10#
发表于 2012-2-4 22:55:02 | 只看该作者
嗯~~来这学习啊~~
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