大家和consulting不得不说的事情

summit

lz统计的很好，赞一个。
但是数据归数据，正如前面有人指出的，每个program的人数相差很大，直接比较有失偏颇。lz还没读MBA呢，对学校声誉的评价主观性很强啊。

而且在top MBA读过的人知道，三条主要的出路：LDP，banking和consulting的招人对象其实是重叠的。这些工作的transferable skills相通，工作性质各有长短，其实是互相在抢人。比如Darden在Top10学校中banking很不错，和corporate的关系也很好，很多好的LDP项目都来招人，导致最后去consulting的人数低了一些。据我所知拿到offer后据MBB的人很多，统计的只是最后去的数字。

另外还有一点，很多M7的学生本来就是MBB出来的，在求职过程中压根就没表现出对consulting的热情，但最后因为种种原因都回MBB工作了，这可以解释你说的Kellogg的“50%”和“38%”。但对于一个个体而言，去top的任何一所学校的差别都不大。你的背景，你的英语水平，你的努力程度决定了你能不能进MBB。

maxiv

http://poetsandquants.com/2011/11/28/firms-that-hire-the-most-mba-interns/

2011 consulting firms intern榜

Where Consulting Firms Get Their MBA Interns

Company	Wharton	Kellogg	Columbia	Booth	MIT	Duke	Tuck	Ross	Haas
McKinsey	38	29	25	19	18	16	13	10	6
BCG	29	28	9	18	10	11	6	11	5
Bain	18	20	11	14	6	7	8	7
Deloitte		9	12	9		26		18	3
Booz				4	6	5	4
Accenture				6		6		7
AT Kearney	8			11				7
PWC						2		7

Company	Darden	Cornell	UCLA	CM	Texas	UNC	Emory	Indiana	USC
McKinsey	11					3
BCG	8				3
Bain		4
Deloitte	7	5		3	10	7	4		6
Booz							2
Accenture		6					4
AT Kearney				4
PWC				3	4				2
CSE Consulting						4
Ernst & Young								3

maxiv

http://poetsandquants.com/2011/11/16/mckinsey-doubles-mba-hires-at-duke-haas/2/

Consulting Firm Hires Of 2011 MBAS From Top B-Schools

Company	Wharton	Booth	Columbia	Kellogg	Tuck	Duke	Ross	Haas	Darden	MIT
McKinsey & Co.	38	39	39	34	14	15	19	16	7	27
BCG	29	19	9	30	10	14	13	4	6	16
Bain & Co.	18	18	12	24		7	8	3	7	12
Deloitte Consulting			8	9		35	20	12		6
Accenture		7		9		7	12		7
Booz & Co.		16	8	7	4
A. T. Kearney	8	6					6
L.E.K. Consulting		6			5			3
PriceWaterhouse						6	8
Parthenon Group				4
Cambridge								3

-- by 会员 maxiv (2011/11/18 14:56:45)

小结一下

总榜
---------------------
Kellogg    117
Booth    111
Wharton    93
Ross    86
Duke    84        
Columbia    76
MIT    61
Haas    41
Tuck    33
Darden    27


MBB榜
---------------------
Kellogg    88
Wharton 85
Booth    76
Columbia    60    
MIT    55        
Ross    40
Duke    36
Tuck    24        
Haas    23
Darden    20


（按2011BW排名的个人评语）
1/2，哈佛，斯坦福。不关注
3，Booth咨询强
4，Wharton咨询强
5，Tuck，看来和consulting关系不大
6，Sloan，MBB的人有90%，MBB专业户
7，Columbia，MBB的人有80%，MBB专业户
8，Kellogg，居然咨询第一位
9，Stern，居然没上榜，看来是铁了心金融了
10，Haas，比想象的少一点。。。
11，Ross，居然强过Haas一倍，意外
12，Fuqua，等级同Ross。也是Haas一倍。Deloitte的人占了40%，Deloitte专业户。
13，Yale，没上榜，哎。
14，Darden，和声誉相符的排名。
15，Cornell，没上榜，可惜。

----------------------

结论

也就是说，想进咨询

1，MBB专攻的人去
Kellogg，Wharton，Booth
Columbia，Sloan

2，哪家咨询都可以就是
一档，Kellogg，Booth，Wharton
二档，Ross，Fuqua（Deloitte专业户）
三档，Haas，Tuck（超级意外），Darden

-- by 会员 maxiv (2011/11/18 15:29:08)

结合intern榜和recruit榜看，比较有意思

2011 consulting Intern 总榜
Wharton     93
Kellogg     86
Booth     81
Duke     73（高于sloan和columbia大惊讶。2011就职榜也高）
Ross     67（高于sloan和columbia大惊讶。2011就职榜也高）
Columbia     57（但MBB intern数要高于fuqua和ross）
MIT     40（MBB intern数与fuqua和ross持平）
Tuck     31
Darden     26 （Darden真的很猛，感觉2011的BW排名underestimate）
Texas     17
Cornell     15
Haas    14
UNC     14
CM     10
Emory     10
USC    8
Indiana     3
UCLA     0

maxiv

lz统计的很好，赞一个。
但是数据归数据，正如前面有人指出的，每个program的人数相差很大，直接比较有失偏颇。lz还没读MBA呢，对学校声誉的评价主观性很强啊。

而且在top MBA读过的人知道，三条主要的出路：LDP，banking和consulting的招人对象其实是重叠的。这些工作的transferable skills相通，工作性质各有长短，其实是互相在抢人。比如Darden在Top10学校中banking很不错，和corporate的关系也很好，很多好的LDP项目都来招人，导致最后去consulting的人数低了一些。据我所知拿到offer后据MBB的人很多，统计的只是最后去的数字。

另外还有一点，很多M7的学生本来就是MBB出来的，在求职过程中压根就没表现出对consulting的热情，但最后因为种种原因都回MBB工作了，这可以解释你说的Kellogg的“50%”和“38%”。但对于一个个体而言，去top的任何一所学校的差别都不大。你的背景，你的英语水平，你的努力程度决定了你能不能进MBB。

-- by 会员 summit (2011/11/24 3:41:57)

顶黑体部分
1，看历年数据来减少偏差吧
2，介个没办法，没有公开数据
3，关键是谁在定义top10？top20？和Cons-Firms的关联又是什么。

请大家原谅我没有一一回复
不是傲慢，而是实在对这个行业不懂
自己还没法“立论”
贴的东西也都是memo性质，说不定明天就被新找到的证据推翻了

maxiv

今天的课外阅读任务


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/0d506e0e-1583-11e1-b9b8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1f0tHmKAh

Inside McKinsey
By Andrew Hill

tianya111

poetsandquants.com的数据不一定很准吧

Yale 11年毕业的这届学生，同时拿了贝恩和麦肯锡offer就有6个还是7个，悉数拒了麦肯锡去了贝恩，搞得贝恩重新审视自己的招聘政策，今年第一年跑来学校开宣讲了。。。。

今年毕业的，中国大陆的学生就有去BCG，罗兰贝格的。有个哥们还拒了麦肯锡和BCG。。。今年中国人中BB的都有已经take offer的。

说到底，学校的整体数据都是浮云，看看就好，能不能进跟学校有关，但主要还是个人+case

maxiv

What Are Boutique Consulting Firms?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-boutique-consulting-firms.htm


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More specifically, "boutique" most often refers to the corporate or agency niche or niches inside of which it offers its services. Examples of different niches in which boutique consulting firms might intercede are Human Resources companies, healthcare IT, and outsourcing firms. Government entities might also call on the services of boutique consulting firms. Overall, a boutique consulting firm tends to focus on a smaller number of industries.

Large management consulting firms can be global in scope and tend to offer services that are more diversified. As such, a large business consulting firm is typically able to draw from more reservoirs of overlapping knowledge and expertise than more narrowly focused boutique consulting firms, which could be an advantage for the company or agency that contracts its services. Boutique firms, on the other hand, are often able to resolve business issues more quickly than large firms that tend to require more time for a specific project. The solutions that boutique consultants might offer tend to have a more immediate impact, which may save an organization from ruin.

Fees that small-to-medium boutique consulting firms charge tend to be lower than those charged by the larger firms, because they usually have lower operating costs and fewer consultants on staff. Some of the larger firms tend to gravitate towards adding more services for the companies that confer with them. Besides increased cost for the clients, this can delay the resolution of their corporate or agency issues.

The use of boutique consulting firms, when they are indeed small, may be riskier than using a large firm. In some cases, they have serviced many fewer clients than the larger firms, so there is not as much verifiable evidence that their services will be helpful. The methods boutique consulting firms employ might not be as well-defined or established as those of the larger firms. Small boutique firms may not have adequate resources to thoroughly train newly hired consultants. In general, boutique consulting firms tend to offer companies and agencies fewer frills, perks, and status through their association than their larger counterparts.

maxiv

参考贴，尽管和management consulting关系不大


请教：Boutique Consulting的职业发展以及MBA申请
http://forum.chasedream.com/North_American_MBA/thread-539991-1-1.html

heythere

Tuck数据*（2.5~3），其实数据相当恐怖。

Ross碉堡了！

maxiv

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