OG_Verbal SC 69 看了OG解释了，可还是搞不明白，SOS~~

cleotina

补充一个小问题吧，这道题with 前面是不是应给没有逗号的呀。
manhattan论坛和Prep上面都是没有逗号的。  
PS：加了逗号之后貌似更难把握两个非限定性修饰的关系，是不是容易造成误解而错呢？

wangjieava23

补充一个小问题吧，这道题with 前面是不是应给没有逗号的呀。
manhattan论坛和Prep上面都是没有逗号的。  
PS：加了逗号之后貌似更难把握两个非限定性修饰的关系，是不是容易造成误解而错呢？

-- by 会员 cleotina (2012/5/20 13:28:14)

嗯，我也觉得manhattan的版本和现在讨论得版本不一样，人家没有逗号的。

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.
A. with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been

teddybearj4

补充一个小问题吧，这道题with 前面是不是应给没有逗号的呀。
manhattan论坛和Prep上面都是没有逗号的。  
PS：加了逗号之后貌似更难把握两个非限定性修饰的关系，是不是容易造成误解而错呢？

-- by 会员 cleotina (2012/5/20 13:28:14)

嗯，我也觉得manhattan的版本和现在讨论得版本不一样，人家没有逗号的。

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.
A. with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been

-- by 会员 wangjieava23 (2012/5/21 18:26:18)

在Mforum上面这道题应该是打错了，看他题目中也没有把with划线，题目中with前面应该是有逗号，with应该是划线的。

teddybearj4

现在再看这道题发现用语意解释更清晰：
原句是想表达：
A地方的住宅都建设的很壮观，每个住宅都有高达600间房的规模。A地的住宅有超过75个精细的结构，这些结构是由复杂的道路系统连接起来的。

而A/B中拿掉那个with短语和connected的modifer，句子变为：
Settlements were built on a scale of up to 600 rooms。A地方的住宅都建设的很壮观，每个住宅都有高达600间房间的规模。
这里的scale是为说明rooms很多。

而C/D/E，意思就变成了：
Settlements were built on a scale of more than 75 structures of up to 600 rooms。
A地方的住宅都建设的很壮观，每个住宅都有高达600间房子的超过75个结构的规模。
这里的scale就是为了说明structures很多。而这个structures是什么呢？是高达600个房间的的structures。这里是不make sense的。

除此之外C/D/E的each的指代也有很大的问题。

babybearmm

teddy mm分析得真好~

灰原岸祭

讨论的都是精华啊，受教了~~~么么哒

iambigchan

Great point!
通过scale of的意思(e.g. on a scale of 1-10)直接排除C/D/E就好办了。

我觉得做这题的时候，不太容易看出author's intended meaning...
我当时看到"scale of"顺眼，直接就想的是这样的句式：
Settlements were built on a spectacular scale of xxx structures of yyy rooms, each .....
然后就纠结于C还是E....一开始的路子就错了，就跳不出来了。

现在看来，理解意思是关键
Suri同学点解的那个"a scale of xxx structures of yyy rooms"的意思
"scale of"的意思
"connected"的意思 （类比united）
     不能说"each connected"/"each had been connected"
     They are all connected.
     They are connected with each other.

哈，感觉又把自己的错误解剖了一遍

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale, with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

A. original
B. scale, with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. sclae of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. scale of more than 75 carefully enineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. scale of more than 75 carefully enineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each had been
B，首先 with more than 75 carefully engineered structures 是一个插入语，插在 a scale of中间，据此就可以排除cde，因为a scale of more than 75 carefully enineered structures of up to 600 rooms显得awkward还把逻辑意思扭曲了，变成 a scale of more than 75···,原句的意思是想说 这个东东建立在一共有600个房间的宏伟规模上，是a scale of 600 rooms.
    然后呢， A不对是因为，如果 were connected by 是和前面的were built 平行，那么，就少了个and.  A were built ****,*****,were connected**,我们把中间的修饰什么的省略就变成   A were built ,were connected,这样就很明显是少了个and，所以错误
  最后排除A,就是B~\(≧▽≦)/~啦啦啦

-- by 会员 Suri在奋斗 (2012/1/25 19:26:18)

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/1/25 19:48:16)

我糊涂了， 请教一下：


这道题，baby 姐，suri 和teddybear 的理解，貌似和ron 不一样？


在baby 姐给出的Ron 的链接中，Ron 对b 的解释是： “ it uses a inessential modifier set off by commas ('of up to 600 rooms each'), which, if eliminated, yields the intact and legitimate sentence: ...carefully engineered structures, connected by...(with another nonessential modifier)."


但是在suri 的理解中，of up to 600 rooms each 从插入语的成分变成了主句成分。
teddybear 说： A地方的住宅都建设的很壮观，每个住宅都有高达600间房的规模。A地的住宅有超过75个精细的结构，这些结构是由复杂的道路系统连接起来的。


我的疑问是：在这个理解中，with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, 成了插入语，最后的connected 貌似修饰不到structures？


另外，我查了一次prep07 版， 发现原题 with 前没有逗号。


我糊涂中！！大家帮帮忙！

iambigchan

求解释！谢谢大家！！

Margaret724

B: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, connected by a complex regional system of roads.

我觉得是with引导独立主格修饰了前面的“The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale”

感觉scale在这里被妖魔化了，它其实很简单，on a spectacular scale 就是个普普通通的介词短语modifier

倒是这个出其不意的在独立主格里面加了个插入语“of up to 600 rooms each”, 做 structures 的modifier, 是个不常见的用法

my 2 cents

mamaliang

今日正好做到这题，看到baby姐贴出来Ron大神在manhattan论坛的分析，讲的真好啊。我就试着总结了一下，把baby姐讲到的也总结进来了。

A. 1. It is a run-on sentence (一个句子中有两个谓语但是中间没有适当的标点符号和连接词）。如果把中间的modifiers一类的去掉，剩下的句子主干就是The Anasazi settlements were built on a spectacular scale, were connected by a complex regional system of roads. 这是错误的。
B. 1. 句中用了一个non-essential modifier (of up to 600 rooms each 用两个逗号隔开), 如果把这个non-essential modifier去掉，原句就变成The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale, with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, connected by a complex regional system of roads. (connected by a complex regional system of roads是另外一个non-essential modifier).
C. 1. "scale of" doesn't make sense (as far as Ron knows, the only acceptable usage of "a scale of" is in describing the mathematical particulars of the scale itself. e.g. on a scale of 1 to 10.). 2. no justification for the verb tense (had been), 如果这里要用一个verb的话，也应该是用simple past，因为其他地方出现的verb时态都是一般过去时。3. 不能说each that...，each后面不能跟relative pronoun（关系代词），如果句中要用关系代词的话，就不会跟在each之后了，而是直接放在要修饰的词之后。4. 把each放在comma之后从逻辑上也说不通，因为我们不能说each structure was connected by a system of roads. 与connected的用法相似的词有united, e.g.
-->The USA comprises 50 states, each of which is united by a federal government. (Wrong: 不能说each is united... 意思就是每一个state有自己的federal government)
--> The USA comprises 50 states, all of which are united by a federal government. (Right: 意思是所有的states...)
--> The USA comprises 50 states, (all) are united by a federal government.
应该是The road system connected all of the structures with each other. 如果把each放在comma之前就对了，因为可以理解为each of the structures comprised up to 600 rooms.
5. 关于这个"a scale of xxx structures of yyy rooms"如何awkward的问题，Ron提到：GMAT尽量避免
x of y of z
x in y in z
这样的用同样prep来“串连”的结构
比如说这题
In no other historical sighting did Halley's comet cause such a worldwide sensation as did its return in 1910-1911.
A. did its return in 1910-1911
B. had its 1910-1911 return
C. in its return of 1910-1911
D. its return of 1910-1911 did
E. its return in 1910-1911

有人问这个of为啥不是in
Answer: the "of" is used to avoid the construction "X in Y in Z". the gmat writers (like other good writers) generally  use constructions that avoid such bothersome repetitions.
P.S. 这句话的正常语序，我试着顺了一下，应该是
Halley's comet did cause such a worldwide sensation in no other historical sighting as in its return of 1910-1911. (in...as in...平行)
Halley's comet did not cause such a worldwide sensation in other historical sighting as in its return of 1910-1911.

D. 1. "scale of" doesn't make sense. 2. and连接的前后成分没有平行 (of....and with...)
E. 1. It is a run-on sentence. 去掉modifier之后的主干是The Anasazi settlements were built on a spectacular scale, each had been connected by a complex regional system of roads. (这里有两个谓语动词，XXX were..., each had been...). 2. "scale of" doesn't make sense.