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111#
发表于 2005-3-28 14:52:00 | 只看该作者

我原来选A,现在还支持A。

先反驳某些支持D的观点:

rt316:非限定修饰是不是一个理由?Minivan可以坐7个人,这是Minivan的特点,用分词和定从修饰都不算过分。SUV大都只能坐5个人,和4门的sedan一样。其实,这个句子想表达的意思有很强的对比性,即:Minivan虽然可以坐多达7个人(比SUV多),但是却比SUV省油,等等。所以,A选项在语气上本身存在问题。如果第一个and被改为but,A还可以作为一个选项,否则平行结构混乱。

SUV说它可坐的人多,Minivan笑了- 其实,很多的(sports utility vehicle)SUV 都可以坐7人的,如Ford Explore XLT。古狗一下:“SUV seven passengers”吧。而且要说Minivans坐的人多,那应该说,Minivans (can) carry more passengers, comparded to SUVs, ....,或最好直接写成Compared to SUVs, Minivans (can) carry more passengers, ....。放开头就好。

JerryGuan:因为:D说得很清楚,只有相同条件下,比较才有意义,也就是说:只有在马车载同样多的人时,比较出来其他的条件。而A(虽然语法不一定错)割裂了这个完整的意思。

用as many as (有点up to的感觉) 的方式来表示相同条件?应该说:when carrying the same number of passengers吧?有趣的是这里JerryGuan和rt316说SUV不能作7人的说法矛盾了。再说,cost less明显是指新车价格(后面说了汽油的事),难道也要都载上7个乘客才能来比?还有allow passengers to get in and out more easily也不一定需同乘客数比。

其实A就是为了不引起歧义,在passengers后加and,使as compared to SUVs明确成为后面部分的状语。卖车的知道some SUVs也有能坐7人的,所以不比这项,专比后面几项。至于and的问题,我觉得LES讲得已经很清楚。

另外,D还有一个问题,carrying...,放在逗号间,作伴随状语,有点现在进行时的意思,也和句子需要的事实陈述需要的一般现在时冲突。既无必要,又显得awkward。

所以A。

112#
发表于 2005-4-7 17:36:00 | 只看该作者

本来一直选D,但斟酌以后还是同意A

D的两个分词结构实在AWKWARD,而且又没有连接词.

虽然两个分词结构意思不是并列,但就语法上说,分词两个分词结构并置可以不用and 连接么?

这个哪位NN能确认一下,(撇开这题不说)分词并列结构之间能不加AND连接么? 我记得有GWD一题,so...., so....并列,但也没定论.

113#
发表于 2005-4-23 00:30:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用jadelo在2004-12-12 3:45:00的发言:



這一題還沒有定論嗎?


為什麼很多NN都覺得A沒有錯呢?


個人以為,A犯了個雖不起眼但很嚴重的錯誤:它把逗號放在連接詞"and"之後了。


以下節錄自某英文語法和寫作網站:


When a parenthetical element — an interjection, adverbial modifier, or even an adverbial clause — follows a coordinating conjunction used to connect two independent clauses, we do not put a comma in front of the parenthetical element.



·         The Red Sox were leading the league at the end of May, but of course, they always do well in the spring. [no comma after "but"]



·         The Yankees didn't do so well in the early going, but frankly, everyone expects them to win the season. [no comma after "but"]



·         The Tigers spent much of the season at the bottom of the league, and even though they picked up several promising rookies, they expect to be there again next year. [no comma after "and"]



(This last piece of advice relies on the authority of William Strunk's Elements of Style. Examples our own.)



這題的"compared with most sport utility vehicles" 很明顯就是parenthetical的用法,而這樣的插入語放在連接詞(如and)之後時,在and 及插入的句子中間不應該有","。



此外,我翻遍了整本OG語法的部份,找不到有"....and,....."這樣的結構的,只有 "....., and....."的結構。(當然,也許是我眼花沒找著,還請有疑惑者一起來幫忙找找看)



I totally agree with Jadelo and this is the reason why I think A is wrong.  

114#
发表于 2005-4-28 13:34:00 | 只看该作者

D !!!A中的and连接前后的时态就是不一致啊。。。D不管compared 修饰哪个至少在语法上和意思上都比A好。。。

各位的讨论实在是很精彩。。继续努力中!!!!

115#
发表于 2005-4-30 23:56:00 | 只看该作者

一看到这道题目的D选项中的compared to就觉得其修饰对象有ambiguity,选了A.

看完了这10页的讨论,更坚定的偶的选择。 虽然,选D的很多同学就不会来查这个帖子,参加讨论了。

116#
发表于 2005-5-27 17:47:00 | 只看该作者

我选A,OG中的一道题就是大并列套小并列,这种形式还是出现过:



190. Manifestations of Islamic political militancy in the first period of religious reformism were the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia, the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, the Mahdi in the Sudan, and the victory of the Usuli “mujtahids” in Shiite Iran and Iraq.


(A) Manifestations of Islamic political militancy in the first period of religious reformism were the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia, the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, the Mahdi in the Sudan, and


(B) Manifestations of Islamic political militancy in the first period of religious reformism were shown in the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia, the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, the Mahdi in the Sudan, and also


(C) In the first period of religious reformism, manifestations of Islamic political militancy were the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia, of the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, the Mahdi in the Sudan, and


(D) In the first period of religious reformism, manifestations of Islamic political militancy were shown in the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia, the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, the Mahdi in the Sudan, and(E)


(E) In the first period of religious reformism, Islamic political militancy was manifested in the rise of the Wahhabis in Arabia,   the Sanusi in Cyrenaica, the Fulani in Nigeria, and the Mahdi in the Sudan, and in

117#
发表于 2005-5-30 23:59:00 | 只看该作者

今天做的这GWD3,发现自己SC错很多,这也是其中的一道。如果是A的话,偶可以少错一道,先自我鼓励一下


不过,这道题目讨论了快一年了,总该有个结论吧?到底应该是A还是D呀?要不请Tony霹雳牛来看看?

118#
发表于 2005-5-31 10:16:00 | 只看该作者

个人愚见,仅供参考。


我们先来看这四个动词:carry,cost less, get better, allow , have ,第一个carry是说载了七个人,而后面四个动词都是说这种交通工具(单词不认识)的优点吧?说它:成本低,更好的用油(?不认识单词),更方便乘客进入,行驶更平稳。而carry七个人并不是优点吧?而是比较的基础:与其他交通工具相比,在同时载七个人的情况下,有这些优点。如果大家同意这样的逻辑意思,那么就只剩下结构的问题了。诚然,这个D的compared的位置有点别扭,放在句首会更好一些,但这样的情况也并非不允许。看大全877,想必大家都会记得这道题:



877.Traveling the back roads of Hungary, in 1905 Béla Bartók and Zoltán Kodály
began their pioneering work in ethnomusicology, and they were armed only
with
an Edison phonograph and insatiable curiosity.
(A) Traveling the back roads of Hungary, in 1905 Béla Bartók and Zoltán Kodály
began their pioneering work in ethnomusicology, and they were armed only
(B) In 1905, Béla Bartók and Zoltán Kodály, traveling the back roads of Hungary,
began their pioneering work in ethnomusicology, and they were only armed
(C) In 1905 Béla Bartók and Zoltán Kodály began their pioneering work in
ethnomusicology, traveling the back roads of Hungary armed only
(D) Having traveled the back roads of Hungary, in 1905 Béla Bartók and Zoltán
Kodály began their pioneering work in ethnomusicology; they were only
armed


正确选项是C,连逗号都没有,但armed的确修饰的主语BB和ZK。


所以,这道题我认为是后四个动词平行陈述优点,carrying,compared分词结构修饰交通工具陈述比较条件。在明显语法错误分析结束后,逻辑意思应该是最好的手段。


一家之言,仅供参考。

119#
发表于 2005-5-31 10:55:00 | 只看该作者

Tony说到平行这个大考点,的确没错,而举的例子也很好:(C) In 1905 Béla Bartók and Zoltán Kodály began their pioneering work in ethnomusicology, traveling the back roads of Hungary armed only


可是还有问题:在C中,traveling与armed是分词在句末作伴随,句中成分唯一。


可是在GWD题中:D: Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,


carrying与compared with夹在主谓间,是作状语修饰谓语呢还是作定语修饰主语,有歧义。而这个歧义似乎也是GMAT语法中的大忌呢!


困惑中,请TONY继续指点!谢谢!



120#
发表于 2005-5-31 11:40:00 | 只看该作者

谢谢Tony nn的指点,从逻辑上去解释很有道理,而且SC的趋势好像也是逻辑意思领会的考点越来越多。但是ring_cheng mm is also having a good point呀。


请继续讨论。这道题一定要搞清楚!虽然已经12页,历时1年。。。

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