with引导的独立主格，是不是“修饰整个句子”，然后with就是“有”的意思啊

wytk

with引导的独立主格，是不是“修饰整个句子”，然后with就是“有”的意思啊
总是觉得对with独立主格的理解不太好~
NN指教啊

hellcan

主语POSSESS WITH后面的成分  独立主格就是对前面内容补充嘞

wytk

恩~好好琢磨一下楼上的话~

夜色微蓝

我的理解好像不是在这样的，我也说说，大家讨论一下吧，看看我的理解对不对哈，呵呵

独立主格分三种，1.一般型；2.with型；3.each型；独立主格结构放在句首或句尾,起状语作用,表伴随原因﹑条件﹑状态等；其逻辑主语不必为句子主语…………不一定就是有的意思，表示是一种伴随，LZ说的有的意思，好像不是with型独立主格的用法，不知道我的理解对不对，一下子也找不到题目来说明，呵呵，如果我错了，请大家修正

楼主说的with型，是与主句形成紧密的逻辑联系,形式为:
   由“with ＋宾语＋宾补”构成的复合结构，在句中可作状语，表示伴随。这一结构中的宾语补足语可由现在分词、过去分词、形容词、副词或介词短语等来充当

wytk

LS是大牛！！
俺把题目贴在这里了，能给结合题目具体讲讲吗~
这个结构和独立主格的不同在哪里呢，分别该怎么理解呢
辛苦大牛啦~
220.    (27530-!-item-!-188;#058&002469)    (GWD-24-8)

The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell over the last two years.  
A. which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell
B. which had increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it had fallen
C. which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling
D. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after falling
E. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after having fallen

夜色微蓝

个人觉得独立主格的逻辑主语，不应该为句子主语，而是其有自己的逻辑主语，要不，…………是不是就可以不用独立主格了呢？我也有点不是很明白了，希望有权威人士指点

这题答案是C吧？是非限定定语从句修饰profit，不是独立主格

呵呵，我不是牛，正在削尖脑袋往语法里钻，很弱，自己觉得也解释得不是很详细，希望再讨论的过程中找出自己的不足，大家一起加油~~

另外你说的分别该怎么理解，我不是很明白你想问什么呢，这是两种不同的结构，多找找一类的题，多看看，可能感觉会好一些，再继续讨论~~

aeoluseros

LS是大牛！！
俺把题目贴在这里了，能给结合题目具体讲讲吗~
这个结构和独立主格的不同在哪里呢，分别该怎么理解呢
辛苦大牛啦~
220.    (27530-!-item-!-188;#058&002469)    (GWD-24-8)

The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell over the last two years.  
A. which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell
B. which had increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it had fallen
C. which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling
D. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after falling
E. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after having fallen

-- by 会员 wytk (2011/4/16 23:37:53)

D和E中increase需要有指代对象，而根据下面三条with做独立主格时用法，如果with表示原因，则其无修饰对象，increase也无所指。如果with表示伴随状态(因为前面是主系表)，那么with的逻辑主语成了results，错误。因此with独立主格在这里怎么看都是错的。

with短语做状语三个功能）（伴随原因、动作、状态是独立主格的基本功能，只是因为三种独立主格形式的不同具体应用起来也不同罢了）：
1. 表示原因，此时不需要考虑逻辑主语，只是修饰前面整句
2. 表示伴随动作(非伴随结果)，此时需要注意逻辑主语，且前面不能是完成时态(这样就不能伴随动作了).（with短语要表示伴随结果则需要用with the result of，如prep2-193）.
3. 表示状态（此时前面需要是主系表），同样需要逻辑主语。

夜色微蓝

220.    (27530-!-item-!-188;#058&002469)    (GWD-24-8)

The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell over the last two years.  
A. which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell
B. which had increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it had fallen
C. which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling
D. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after falling
E. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after having fallen

-- by 会员 wytk (2011/4/16 23:37:53)

D和E中increase需要有指代对象，而根据下面三条with做独立主格时用法，如果with表示原因，则其无修饰对象，increase也无所指。如果with表示伴随状态(因为前面是主系表)，那么with的逻辑主语成了results，错误。因此with独立主格在这里怎么看都是错的。

with短语做状语三个功能）（伴随原因、动作、状态是独立主格的基本功能，只是因为三种独立主格形式的不同具体应用起来也不同罢了）：
1. 表示原因，此时不需要考虑逻辑主语，只是修饰前面整句
2. 表示伴随动作(非伴随结果)，此时需要注意逻辑主语，且前面不能是完成时态(这样就不能伴随动作了).（with短语要表示伴随结果则需要用with the result of，如prep2-193）.
3. 表示状态（此时前面需要是主系表），同样需要逻辑主语。

-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2011/4/17 12:52:27)

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哈哈哈哈~~~一呼唤权威人士，权威人士就来了~~~


版主的解释清晰多了，我也弄明白了  “with表示原因，则其无修饰对象，increase也无所指。如果with表示伴随状态(因为前面是主系表)，那么with的逻辑主语成了results，”   这才是为什么不用独立主格的原因，版主的解释清晰明了，摘走啦摘走啦~~

wytk

LS是大牛！！
俺把题目贴在这里了，能给结合题目具体讲讲吗~
这个结构和独立主格的不同在哪里呢，分别该怎么理解呢
辛苦大牛啦~
220.    (27530-!-item-!-188;#058&002469)    (GWD-24-8)

The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell over the last two years.  
A. which increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it fell
B. which had increased five percent during the first three months of this year after it had fallen
C. which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling
D. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after falling
E. with a five percent increase during the first three months of this year after having fallen

-- by 会员 wytk (2011/4/16 23:37:53)

D和E中increase需要有指代对象，而根据下面三条with做独立主格时用法，如果with表示原因，则其无修饰对象，increase也无所指。如果with表示伴随状态(因为前面是主系表)，那么with的逻辑主语成了results，错误。因此with独立主格在这里怎么看都是错的。

with短语做状语三个功能）（伴随原因、动作、状态是独立主格的基本功能，只是因为三种独立主格形式的不同具体应用起来也不同罢了）：
1. 表示原因，此时不需要考虑逻辑主语，只是修饰前面整句
2. 表示伴随动作(非伴随结果)，此时需要注意逻辑主语，且前面不能是完成时态(这样就不能伴随动作了).（with短语要表示伴随结果则需要用with the result of，如prep2-193）.
3. 表示状态（此时前面需要是主系表），同样需要逻辑主语。

-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2011/4/17 12:52:27)

感谢斑斑
俺记住了，with独立主格，3个含义，表示原因（此时不需要逻辑主语，修饰前面整句话），表示伴随动作（需要自己的逻辑主语）&表示伴随结果（with the result of ...），表示状态（需要逻辑主语，且此时前面是主系表结构）
附上斑斑给的例子prep2-193，方便后人~


193.(29942-!-item-!-188;#058&004596)(T-3-Q2)



As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing the bee to sustain a fatal injury.

A. As the honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed, staying where it is inserted, this results in the act of stinging causing

B. As the heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

C. The honeybee’s stinger, heavily barbed and staying where it is inserted, results in the fact that the act of stinging causes

D. The heavily barbed stinger of the honeybee stays where it is inserted, and results in the act of stinging causing

E. The honeybee’s stinger is heavily barbed and stays where it is inserted, with the result that the act of stinging causes

christ900624

太好啦~~终于弄懂了~