转发商学院研究能力排名2005-2009 对PHD选校很有帮助

jcc123321

IS的journal只有ISR和MISQ，MgtSci里面有一些IS，但是不能完全算IS的journal。没有4本那么多，最多2.25本。

bernanke

你说的overall ranking对申PhD的学生没有任何意义，因为任何申PhD的只是申其中的一个major,而不会考虑overall如何。  

I don't agree.
   First, I'm not sure why does the ranking needed to be scaled by the # of faculty member? this is the ranking of overall faculty productivity not average  productivity of faculty . more faculty-> student have more choice. I don't see any bias here.
   Second, this is the overall ranking of the management school,not a ranking by major. It tries to measure the overall productivity of the  management school. Because of this, I would say it is very fair to list Yale as the 38th since they don't have some majors. This is Yale's fault, not ranking's fault or biased.
   Third, point is well taken. however, they only choose a little bit more OM and IS journal,  which is 4 (8/2)journals per major. For marketing, finance, acct, it is 3.33 (10/3)   journals per major.  Although there are some bias, I don't see too much.
   BTW, although they are kind of close, OM and IS are still two majors not one. Don't mislead     readers implicitly.
   BTW, in finance, we only consider JF, RFS and JFE are top journal for tenures review. thus, I  think choosing 3 journals in finance is pretty fairy . I don't know other majors.

第一，没有按照faculty人数scale。这种排名，闭着眼睛都能猜到wharton和nyu这种狂屯老师的学校会排的很靠前。不过mit表示压力不大，我们人少。

第二，没有考虑有的学校缺少部分专业。yale只有三个专业，所以最后排到了38，但是明眼人都知道，前面起码有25个学校在yale有的专业里面是不如yale的。

第三，选择的journal不均衡。utdallas的om和is很强，所以这个排名里边选了8个这方面的journal，而fin，act，mkt三个大系一共才10个journal。如果你只选择om和is的8个journal，05-09utdallas能排第3，如果你选择fin，act，mkt的10个journal，utdallas只能排第43，而最后全加在一起排到17。

anyway，任何排名都有bias，这东西就是个参考。

could u plz be more specifically where is the bias from?
what's the unbiased ranking in ur mind?

too much bias

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/28 1:36:04)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/11/29 4:05:54)

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/29 7:49:20)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/12/2 10:51:53)

fzxc613

First, if u apply to a school, do u partially consider its overall ranking or reputation?
Second, Whether it is meaningful or not, the point is it is not a biased ranking.

你说的overall ranking对申PhD的学生没有任何意义，因为任何申PhD的只是申其中的一个major,而不会考虑overall如何。  

I don't agree.
   First, I'm not sure why does the ranking needed to be scaled by the # of faculty member? this is the ranking of overall faculty productivity not average  productivity of faculty . more faculty-> student have more choice. I don't see any bias here.
   Second, this is the overall ranking of the management school,not a ranking by major. It tries to measure the overall productivity of the  management school. Because of this, I would say it is very fair to list Yale as the 38th since they don't have some majors. This is Yale's fault, not ranking's fault or biased.
   Third, point is well taken. however, they only choose a little bit more OM and IS journal,  which is 4 (8/2)journals per major. For marketing, finance, acct, it is 3.33 (10/3)   journals per major.  Although there are some bias, I don't see too much.
   BTW, although they are kind of close, OM and IS are still two majors not one. Don't mislead     readers implicitly.
   BTW, in finance, we only consider JF, RFS and JFE are top journal for tenures review. thus, I  think choosing 3 journals in finance is pretty fairy . I don't know other majors.

第一，没有按照faculty人数scale。这种排名，闭着眼睛都能猜到wharton和nyu这种狂屯老师的学校会排的很靠前。不过mit表示压力不大，我们人少。

第二，没有考虑有的学校缺少部分专业。yale只有三个专业，所以最后排到了38，但是明眼人都知道，前面起码有25个学校在yale有的专业里面是不如yale的。

第三，选择的journal不均衡。utdallas的om和is很强，所以这个排名里边选了8个这方面的journal，而fin，act，mkt三个大系一共才10个journal。如果你只选择om和is的8个journal，05-09utdallas能排第3，如果你选择fin，act，mkt的10个journal，utdallas只能排第43，而最后全加在一起排到17。

anyway，任何排名都有bias，这东西就是个参考。

could u plz be more specifically where is the bias from?
what's the unbiased ranking in ur mind?

too much bias

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/28 1:36:04)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/11/29 4:05:54)

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/29 7:49:20)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/12/2 10:51:53)

-- by 会员 bernanke (2010/12/4 14:33:56)

kndx5

ok, let me put it this way.  This ranking is bias because its unbalance weight on different major makes the total publications not comparable. If you take act journals for 2005-2009, the 20th school has 11 publications,  the 50th schools has 6 publications, while if you take om journals for 2005-2009, the 20th school has 30 publications, the 50th school has 7 publications. Therefore, a school with 20th in act and 50th in om has only 18 publications, while a school with 20th in OM and 50th in act has 37 publications. Based on the approach used in this ranking, the school stronger in OM will have a much higher ranking than the school stronger in ACT. But do you really think there is such big difference in the research contributions  between these two schools? In other words, this approach in ranking business school benefits some schools more, that is why I said this ranking is bias.

I was not trying to mislead readers. I put them together because OM&IS is one big department in utdallas, which benefits most from this ranking.

BTW, productivity is a concept of output per unit.

You are absolutely right that when people apply for phd in business school, they consider the overall reputation of a business school. But are reputation and total publications the same thing? I do not think so. Some parvenu schools have lots of publications, but are still not considered as top school, while some schools with decent history still have very good reputation although they do not have as many publications as parvenu schools.  Do you really want to decline an offer from yale or unc just because you have an offer from either utdallas or arizona state, which have higher ranking? That is totally insane.

First, if u apply to a school, do u partially consider its overall ranking or reputation?
Second, Whether it is meaningful or not, the point is it is not a biased ranking.

你说的overall ranking对申PhD的学生没有任何意义，因为任何申PhD的只是申其中的一个major,而不会考虑overall如何。  

I don't agree.
   First, I'm not sure why does the ranking needed to be scaled by the # of faculty member? this is the ranking of overall faculty productivity not average  productivity of faculty . more faculty-> student have more choice. I don't see any bias here.
   Second, this is the overall ranking of the management school,not a ranking by major. It tries to measure the overall productivity of the  management school. Because of this, I would say it is very fair to list Yale as the 38th since they don't have some majors. This is Yale's fault, not ranking's fault or biased.
   Third, point is well taken. however, they only choose a little bit more OM and IS journal,  which is 4 (8/2)journals per major. For marketing, finance, acct, it is 3.33 (10/3)   journals per major.  Although there are some bias, I don't see too much.
   BTW, although they are kind of close, OM and IS are still two majors not one. Don't mislead     readers implicitly.
   BTW, in finance, we only consider JF, RFS and JFE are top journal for tenures review. thus, I  think choosing 3 journals in finance is pretty fairy . I don't know other majors.

第一，没有按照faculty人数scale。这种排名，闭着眼睛都能猜到wharton和nyu这种狂屯老师的学校会排的很靠前。不过mit表示压力不大，我们人少。

第二，没有考虑有的学校缺少部分专业。yale只有三个专业，所以最后排到了38，但是明眼人都知道，前面起码有25个学校在yale有的专业里面是不如yale的。

第三，选择的journal不均衡。utdallas的om和is很强，所以这个排名里边选了8个这方面的journal，而fin，act，mkt三个大系一共才10个journal。如果你只选择om和is的8个journal，05-09utdallas能排第3，如果你选择fin，act，mkt的10个journal，utdallas只能排第43，而最后全加在一起排到17。

anyway，任何排名都有bias，这东西就是个参考。

could u plz be more specifically where is the bias from?
what's the unbiased ranking in ur mind?

too much bias

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/28 1:36:04)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/11/29 4:05:54)

-- by 会员 kndx5 (2010/11/29 7:49:20)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/12/2 10:51:53)

-- by 会员 bernanke (2010/12/4 14:33:56)

-- by 会员 fzxc613 (2010/12/7 0:12:20)

lh07

我觉得如果UTD选的这些journal反映了绝大部分主流学校评tenure的标准，那就没什么问题。里面纯Management的Journal就有六个，再考虑management science的话，也是一大堆，但是好像大家对managment选这么多没什么意见，因为绝大部分学校都承认这些journal是A level----可能JIBS有些勉强。

不熟悉OM，哪位OM背景的同学来评论一下那些journal，是不是大部分学校公认作为A level的？

boum

IS的journal只有ISR和MISQ，MgtSci里面有一些IS，但是不能完全算IS的journal。没有4本那么多，最多2.25本。

-- by 会员 jcc123321 (2010/12/2 23:04:58)

我觉得IS这样的小专业不用考虑一定要发什么MISQ ISR， 来几篇INFORMS的其他期刊文章更好

boum

我觉得如果UTD选的这些journal反映了绝大部分主流学校评tenure的标准，那就没什么问题。里面纯Management的Journal就有六个，再考虑management science的话，也是一大堆，但是好像大家对managment选这么多没什么意见，因为绝大部分学校都承认这些journal是A level----可能JIBS有些勉强。

不熟悉OM，哪位OM背景的同学来评论一下那些journal，是不是大部分学校公认作为A level的？

-- by 会员 lh07 (2010/12/7 11:45:19)

http://www.informs.org/Find-Research-Publications/INFORMS-Journals
这里面应该囊括了OM的好期刊。

BTW，前不久有个帖子说“什么专业数学要求高”，说到的都是 finance。
我觉得最难的还是OR里面的optimization啊，本身就是数学啊。。。

echoxg

我觉得吧，OM里边， MS，OR，MSOM算是top journal了。 JOM的topic 主要是empirical的，感觉做的人不多。做model的人就不用考虑啦。POM也算比较好的吧，但是肯定是不如前三个那么好了。 我当时参照UTD的排名是，就只选了MS，OR，MSOM来rank的，哈哈~~~~
其实可以选择个专业的journal做rank，这点挺好的，至于overall ranking，看看就好啦，呵呵，别太当真，谁都不会认为yale只排到30+