加拿大?美国二线?还是继续申请?MBA的选择

爱在左口袋

不是吧？rotman这么差啊？Rotman国际学生在多伦多找到工作的可能性难道不比在US10几名在美国找到工作的可能性高咩？？

-- by 会员 holywater (2010/11/25 21:18:09)

不管到底容易不容易，大家的评论说的是career center不好，不是说rotman学生靠自己的努力不能找到工作

zhangjy

加拿大很好申请移民， 但是他那边对mba的需求很小，如果你只想移民，建议可以去加拿大申请技术移民，顺便读个书。mba在那边找工作很难， 因为他那边觉得你学历太高了，你国内的工作经验他们应该不会看的。

maxdaddy

Can't really put this all on Rotman. In Canada, there's this unwritten rule when someone looks for a job - Canadian experience. If you don't have Canadian (or American) experience, you are gonna have a hard time getting interviews no matter if you are from Rotman or Ivey.

Seymour Schulich's son went to Ivey. During his son's convocation, he was asked which is the best business school in Canada. Although York's business school was named after him, he said: "Well, my son goes to Ivey, so I have to say Ivey."

Ivey's recruiting is better, but the same companies recruit at both Rotman and Ivey. Ivey does a better job because their students have more impressive resumes. Ivey class is smaller, so it can be mroe selective than Rotman. Ultimately, it all comes down to you as an individual, and how you build up an impressive package.

I think Rotman is doing a pretty good job in competing with Ivey these years, mostly in finance. It's not that Ivey's weak in finance. Rotman keeps mentioning Finance as its strength because its notable weakness is consulting. Last year, Rotman's dean even went door-by-door to some Toronto's non-MBB consultancies for unpaid summer internships, and he managed to create some vacancies. That's why I don't quite agree with the 'ungelivable' comment about Rotman.

-- by 会员 maxdaddy (2010/11/25 23:16:40)

Hi, many thanks for your comments and additional information. I noticed that you mentioned "Canadian Experience" is really important to get a job in Canada. I actually also heard about it from some friends. Could you share a bit more on this point? Does several months internship counts as "Canadian Experience"? Besides, how important is a Permanent Residence identity while someone going for job hunting in Canada?

Thanks

-- by 会员 csher (2010/11/25 23:27:23)

Yes, that would count as Canadian experience although not much. But the thing is are you able to find a meaningful/valuable internship that counts? Each year, many rotman students fail to find internships.

PR would definitely help but Canada is pretty easy on international students now, you can get post-grad work permit much easier than before.

In general, Canadian MBAs are hired mostly the same as other masters, such as Master of Econ. There are not many MBA specific jobs namely consulting/IB, and some of them are taken by graduates from top US schools.

maxdaddy

加拿大很好申请移民， 但是他那边对mba的需求很小，如果你只想移民，建议可以去加拿大申请技术移民，顺便读个书。mba在那边找工作很难， 因为他那边觉得你学历太高了，你国内的工作经验他们应该不会看的。

-- by 会员 zhangjy (2010/11/26 15:53:31)

Very true. Not just 国内的工作经验 doesn't count, I have seen many people with grad degrees and many years of experience from India, Singapore, and Europe struggling to find jobs in their experienced professions.

csher

Can't really put this all on Rotman. In Canada, there's this unwritten rule when someone looks for a job - Canadian experience. If you don't have Canadian (or American) experience, you are gonna have a hard time getting interviews no matter if you are from Rotman or Ivey.

Seymour Schulich's son went to Ivey. During his son's convocation, he was asked which is the best business school in Canada. Although York's business school was named after him, he said: "Well, my son goes to Ivey, so I have to say Ivey."

Ivey's recruiting is better, but the same companies recruit at both Rotman and Ivey. Ivey does a better job because their students have more impressive resumes. Ivey class is smaller, so it can be mroe selective than Rotman. Ultimately, it all comes down to you as an individual, and how you build up an impressive package.

I think Rotman is doing a pretty good job in competing with Ivey these years, mostly in finance. It's not that Ivey's weak in finance. Rotman keeps mentioning Finance as its strength because its notable weakness is consulting. Last year, Rotman's dean even went door-by-door to some Toronto's non-MBB consultancies for unpaid summer internships, and he managed to create some vacancies. That's why I don't quite agree with the 'ungelivable' comment about Rotman.

-- by 会员 maxdaddy (2010/11/25 23:16:40)

Hi, many thanks for your comments and additional information. I noticed that you mentioned "Canadian Experience" is really important to get a job in Canada. I actually also heard about it from some friends. Could you share a bit more on this point? Does several months internship counts as "Canadian Experience"? Besides, how important is a Permanent Residence identity while someone going for job hunting in Canada?

Thanks

-- by 会员 csher (2010/11/25 23:27:23)

Yes, that would count as Canadian experience although not much. But the thing is are you able to find a meaningful/valuable internship that counts? Each year, many rotman students fail to find internships.

PR would definitely help but Canada is pretty easy on international students now, you can get post-grad work permit much easier than before.

In general, Canadian MBAs are hired mostly the same as other masters, such as Master of Econ. There are not many MBA specific jobs namely consulting/IB, and some of them are taken by graduates from top US schools.

-- by 会员 maxdaddy (2010/11/26 22:45:46)

If it will be hard even to find an internship in Canada, it is really a big problem. Do you by any chance know the situation of previous Chinese student there? Since it is hard to secure a job, most of them went back to China?

Thanks

renxiaochun

The comparison between Rotman with US schools is meaningless. Rotman is absolutely the top school in Canada, period. How many MBA fresh graduates in either US or Canada would like to go across the border to find a job?  What’s the point to compare the schools in two countries? If the experience is transferrable that easily, shouldn’t all Canadian students rush into US schools and go back to find a job, as according to someone Rotman is no better than a second tier school in US? I don’t believe so.Even though Canada is in the same continent with US, the area barrier makes Rotman incomparable to the rest US schools.

To rule out the options, you only need to think about which country you want to go.If you decide to go to Canada, Rotman will naturally become your choice. So you should compare Canada with US, instead of Rotman with any school in US. There're many considerations when compare the two countries.  If I can't make decision right now, I would apply schools in both countries and decide where to go later. And I would only go to the top schools no matter which country I choose.Emory can be your back-up but never be your priority.I won’t spend two years in a just-so-so school, even it’s free, even it's better than any schools outside the country.  Because, employment for international students in US is crucial.Many employers pre-screen applicants on legal status, especially financial institutions due to a hiring limitation imposed on certain banks after the crisis.  Check out the replacement of international graduates when evaluate a US school.

jasonlove

The comparison between Rotman with US schools is meaningless. Rotman is absolutely the top school in Canada, period. How many MBA fresh graduates in either US or Canada would like to go across the border to find a job?  What’s the point to compare the schools in two countries? If the experience is transferrable that easily, shouldn’t all Canadian students rush into US schools and go back to find a job, as according to someone Rotman is no better than a second tier school in US? I don’t believe so.Even though Canada is in the same continent with US, the area barrier makes Rotman incomparable to the rest US schools.

To rule out the options, you only need to think about which country you want to go.If you decide to go to Canada, Rotman will naturally become your choice. So you should compare Canada with US, instead of Rotman with any school in US. There're many considerations when compare the two countries.  If I can't make decision right now, I would apply schools in both countries and decide where to go later. And I would only go to the top schools no matter which country I choose.Emory can be your back-up but never be your priority.I won’t spend two years in a just-so-so school, even it’s free, even it's better than any schools outside the country.  Because, employment for international students in US is crucial.Many employers pre-screen applicants on legal status, especially financial institutions due to a hiring limitation imposed on certain banks after the crisis.  Check out the replacement of international graduates when evaluate a US school.

-- by 会员 renxiaochun (2010/11/27 4:59:51)

上HBS也不意味能在美国就业，上emory在美国就等于毕业失业了？搞笑

爱在左口袋

The comparison between Rotman with US schools is meaningless. Rotman is absolutely the top school in Canada, period. How many MBA fresh graduates in either US or Canada would like to go across the border to find a job?  What’s the point to compare the schools in two countries? If the experience is transferrable that easily, shouldn’t all Canadian students rush into US schools and go back to find a job, as according to someone Rotman is no better than a second tier school in US? I don’t believe so.Even though Canada is in the same continent with US, the area barrier makes Rotman incomparable to the rest US schools.

To rule out the options, you only need to think about which country you want to go.If you decide to go to Canada, Rotman will naturally become your choice. So you should compare Canada with US, instead of Rotman with any school in US. There're many considerations when compare the two countries.  If I can't make decision right now, I would apply schools in both countries and decide where to go later. And I would only go to the top schools no matter which country I choose.Emory can be your back-up but never be your priority.I won’t spend two years in a just-so-so school, even it’s free, even it's better than any schools outside the country.  Because, employment for international students in US is crucial.Many employers pre-screen applicants on legal status, especially financial institutions due to a hiring limitation imposed on certain banks after the crisis.  Check out the replacement of international graduates when evaluate a US school.

-- by 会员 renxiaochun (2010/11/27 4:59:51)

上HBS也不意味能在美国就业，上emory在美国就等于毕业失业了？搞笑

-- by 会员 jasonlove (2010/11/27 9:35:00)

楼上的兄弟，请允许我说一句，我觉得你在太多的帖子里的话语都太过激烈了。其实大家都只是表达自己的观点，而且大多数人，包括我自己都只是MBA申请中的一个边看边学的年轻人，所以我觉得不用太刻薄（不好意思，这个词也许有点过，但主要是我的心意而已）的对待别人的发言，没有冒犯的意思，也只是个人的看法，祝你也申请顺利。

jasonlove

就事论事，不激烈

renxiaochun

The comparison between Rotman with US schools is meaningless. Rotman is absolutely the top school in Canada, period. How many MBA fresh graduates in either US or Canada would like to go across the border to find a job?  What’s the point to compare the schools in two countries? If the experience is transferrable that easily, shouldn’t all Canadian students rush into US schools and go back to find a job, as according to someone Rotman is no better than a second tier school in US? I don’t believe so.Even though Canada is in the same continent with US, the area barrier makes Rotman incomparable to the rest US schools.

To rule out the options, you only need to think about which country you want to go.If you decide to go to Canada, Rotman will naturally become your choice. So you should compare Canada with US, instead of Rotman with any school in US. There're many considerations when compare the two countries.  If I can't make decision right now, I would apply schools in both countries and decide where to go later. And I would only go to the top schools no matter which country I choose.Emory can be your back-up but never be your priority.I won’t spend two years in a just-so-so school, even it’s free, even it's better than any schools outside the country.  Because, employment for international students in US is crucial.Many employers pre-screen applicants on legal status, especially financial institutions due to a hiring limitation imposed on certain banks after the crisis.  Check out the replacement of international graduates when evaluate a US school.

-- by 会员 renxiaochun (2010/11/27 4:59:51)

上HBS也不意味能在美国就业，上emory在美国就等于毕业失业了？搞笑

-- by 会员 jasonlove (2010/11/27 9:35:00)

I didn't say anything about replacement at HBS or Emory.  I only say 'check out the replacement' of the school, so that you will know for yourself.  
Good luck with your application!