代词指代，og12-106

skayouyou

AD中，关系代词 it,which不能指代整个句子，

--it is/which has become  preciseily the opposite,  所以it ,which用法错 。

这么理解可否？请指教~~

imagelan

从逻辑意思上来看是不会存在歧义的

前句：radio 是电话的代替。转折，其实radio是XXX

拙见

-- by 会员 zxkingsey (2010/4/14 14:12:13)

按逻辑的意思来说确实选c，但是有好多题都不按照逻辑的意思选的啊 比如这个
OG12  75
75. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from
rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is
whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and
see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game
parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’
horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and
see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to
see one after the animals’ horns have been



选C， A的错误OG解释说their 这个词ambiguous 但是按照逻辑的话their只能指rhinoceroses 不可能指游客或者公园呀~但OG得解释却没按逻辑的意思来~~
丹迪可不可以按逻辑来判断指代呢？

-- by 会员 rainbowmanutd (2010/4/16 9:20:50)

A的错误有两个，一个是这两个动作不是并列的，是有先有逻辑关系的，带有目的性。而且their是指代不清。C指代清楚了，所以C比A强，就选C。我们不研究每个题目到底算不算错或对，我们之研究以下哪个表达更优

-- by 会员 dajiahaoh (2010/4/16 9:47:18)

解释的很清楚~但我有个问题：到底可不可以按照逻辑的意思来判断题目指代呢？如果按照逻辑意思的话，游客是不会有horns 更不会trimmed~但OG的解释还是说了their有可能只带游客，也就是说不能按照逻辑的意思来判断了？

-- by 会员 rainbowmanutd (2010/4/16 16:32:17)

用逻辑意思来判断题目的指代，个人感觉不是很好。记得老师在将这个题目的时候说，当存在多个可能的指代对象时，作主语的代词通常优先指代主语。如果形式上指不了，指宾语也很正常。所谓形式上指不了，只是说语法形式上指不了。没有说逻辑意思上也指不了。而这里，从语法上讲their是有可能指代tourists的。所以就可能造成歧义。

machilles

你大错特错了，D马上就能排除，which指代radio，不符合就近指代原则，which前面隔了那么老远，有那么多的名词。错的不是一般的离谱。从来没有人说非限定错（在其他同等条件下，限定的好一些），我们不是因为“他是非限定”才排除它的，而是因为非常严重地它违反了就近指代原则（而且它完全可以就近指代，），你不要搞错了我们的排除依据。

carlosh

楼主主要想问的是关于it的问题吧，我的拙见看楼主能不能接受，为什么C的it指代没有问题？ 我是这么想的，因为telephone在C选项中是出现在修饰成分即出现在that引导的定语从句中的，从层次的角度看it优先指代被修饰部分，所以it指代没有问题。大家讨论

jbc88

我是这么做的：
这道题明显WHICH用法不对，排除B,D

-- by 会员 sabrinazhang (2010/4/11 14:13:58)

哪有这样说题的。你干脆打明说 此题ABDE选项与正确答案C不符，所以错。

我的思路是首先 conceive as是正确的idom排除ADE。

接下来就是BC之争了。我不觉得B的which有什么问题，which指代是tool，倒是tool指代啥，我弄不清了。

Raymond_GMAT

同楼主问，C的that怎么解释

夜色微蓝

是啊，我也想知道C选项中的that为什么不是指 conversation???

xibao

因为是个用分号隔开的平行结构吧。所以分号前后的主语是不是应该一致啊？
求指正~~

feifeionly

来至曼哈顿的解释：
You're right that it's not easy to cut out a middleman here. We have to analyze the whole thing and see which parts are modifying which other parts.

The main subject of the sentence is Marconi. Let's start with a simple sentence and build up:

Marconi conceived of the radio.

Here, Marconi is the subject and radio is the object.

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool.

Here, we have added an object complement. The portion "as a tool" describes how Marconi conceived of the radio.

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation.

Now we have modified the object complement to add detail. What kind of tool was the radio supposed to be? A tool for private conversation.

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone.

We have added a helping verb to the object complement. What could substitute for the telephone? "A tool for private conversation." Of course, since the tool in question is the radio, we could say that this also refers to the radio, but structurally it is tacked onto the part about the tool.

At this point, we can simplify the structure of the sentence down to "X conceived of Y as Z."
X=Marconi
Y=the radio
Z=a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone.

So after all that, perhaps you can see why a semicolon shows up. We already have a rather full sentence! To retain clarity, the author essentially begins a new sentence to express the actual fate of the radio. Although we might follow the meaning if the sentence went on with "but" (" . . . telephone, but it has become . . ."), the meaning of "it" at this point might be a bit unclear. By starting a new independent clause, we are removed from all the mucky modifiers and complements, and can return back to the direct object--radio.