转自BW，Wharton校友对W的reflection, a must-read.

geniuswang

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kdream

The part about recruiting is a bit misleading to international/chinese students. The poster emphasized himself that "if you are not looking for international jobs". Because that's a whole different issue.

cannedpineapple

I actually disagree with you on this. many top bschools in the US have their own culture, though not all. Wharton for example, probably Booth too, were the schools that I have visited and did not feel they had unique culture. However, schools like Kellogg of example have a very very strong culture associated to teamwork. I know and work with no less than 10 Kellogg folks and they all seem to fit that culture.
But I do agree with you on the point that in the end it is still up to you to make it happen. But I think a good culture fit can help you go even further. With that said, having the luxury to actually pick MBA program based on culture is not something everyone has. Most of us end up going to the one that accepts us, haha.
Best of luck to everyone who are waiting on the March 26th Wharton offer!

-- by 会员 hotmail2006 (2010/3/5 3:34:39)

As a Wharton and Chicago alum (and having spent years at these schools), I suspect that you just don't understand the cultures at each. I feel the culture at these two schools very very strongly. That you don't, is maybe a good sign that you're not a good fit for these two schools. Nothing wrong with that, really. You should choose a school that you understand and like the culture at!

necroosu

I actually disagree with you on this. many top bschools in the US have their own culture, though not all. Wharton for example, probably Booth too, were the schools that I have visited and did not feel they had unique culture. However, schools like Kellogg of example have a very very strong culture associated to teamwork. I know and work with no less than 10 Kellogg folks and they all seem to fit that culture.
But I do agree with you on the point that in the end it is still up to you to make it happen. But I think a good culture fit can help you go even further. With that said, having the luxury to actually pick MBA program based on culture is not something everyone has. Most of us end up going to the one that accepts us, haha.
Best of luck to everyone who are waiting on the March 26th Wharton offer!

-- by 会员 hotmail2006 (2010/3/5 3:34:39)

As a Wharton and Chicago alum (and having spent years at these schools), I suspect that you just don't understand the cultures at each. I feel the culture at these two schools very very strongly. That you don't, is maybe a good sign that you're not a good fit for these two schools. Nothing wrong with that, really. You should choose a school that you understand and like the culture at!

-- by 会员 jelt2359 (2010/3/5 10:40:22)

Until the fat lady sings, indeed, until the fat lady sings

orchidq

"Wharton is not a school that fosters comaraderie.  The student body has an akwardly contentious relationship with the administration.  Wharton is a place that fosters absolutely no culture or sense of Wharton identity.  I think that H/S/Tuck/Kellogg do any amazing job at fostering community.

I give Wharton a D- on this measure."

同意这个说法。最近在申top 10, 发现每所学校都有自己独特之处，唯有wharton, 怎么也感觉不到Wharton identity. 昨天刚跟一位wharton校友面试，总体感觉很难受，让我觉得不给offer也罢，连thank you email 都快写不出来了。

不过，两个月前去学校参观，感觉还行，学校很大，所以也遇到了几个热情真诚的学生。Wharton每周四下午都有MBA Pub, 很多学生都去那里聊天，喝啤酒吃pizza, 感觉这是它一个亮点。

-- by 会员 rosaregale (2010/3/5 0:20:17)

Mind to share ur views about the culture u found about the other 9 top schools?
Don't have chance for campus visit and couldn't detect the culture only from school website. (Maybe I am too tardy?)
Thanks for ur sharing in advance!!!!

Cova

ANOTHER WHARTON KID CHIMES IN, THIS ONE A GRAD. Sandy,     This is a blast from the past. First up, Thanks for the tons of free advice on the forums as well as the initial phone "kick in the ass" free essay review which really motivated me. I think your insights into schools and what drives admits/career possibilities is usually spot on. I thought so when I was applying and now so many years later - I still think so. Any way I ended up in wharton and McKinsey after that. I have had a chance to work closely with grads from all the top schools and I have been back on campuses recruiting. Lately, many people I know have been going to PE. Here are some of my observations on job hunting from Wharton, especially PE.     If you are really someone who is suited for a job in consulting or banking - you will end up getting such a job from Wharton. Sometimes it is hard for to see what suitability is, especially when you don't have a ton of exposure to the industry. I have seen good people who are absolutely bad fit for consulting try interviewing and it is painfully obvious to everyone except them.     Anyways, these companies (MC IB etc.) interview a ton of people from Wharton, they have a definite process, if you are diligent you'll get several interviews and at least one offer. You are dealing with a bunch of companies where the difference in jobs is not that much and they all take a ton of new hires - adjusting for yield - they make a ton of offers collectively.     When it comes to HF/PE - well, they are hiring fewer people. They may hire a few people (single digits) over the top N schools they visit. They know yield is high (you are not going to turn them down for any other job except another PE firm) - hence they make fewer offers. These firms have small number of employees - unlike McKinsey or Goldman they can't hire a ton of smart eager beavers and let nature take its course - mold them and let self-selection and do the job.     PE firms are very pedigree conscious and look for very specific background for specific position. Recently I had a friend at a top PE firm who was hiring for an associate focused on healthcare. I recommended an AP from McK who was a physician - my friend came back and said "we have decide to interview only physicians with banking experience". I am surprised he did not say LBO experience. So HBS vs Wharton makes less difference than what you did before in most cases.     On top of that PE recruiting emphasizes fit a lot - it requires a special kind of finesse to get the fit right, e.g. for another healthcare PE position, I knew four people from Wharton who interviewed, four had deep healthcare experience and one was a former top tier PE analyst. Of the healthcare guys - two had Ph.D.s one did not - the non PhD guy was the most polished - so he got the offer - he had the right combination of background for the specific PE niche and spit polish. If one of the Ph.D's or PE guy had the offer, I am sure everyone would have rationalized that they got the  job because of that or if one of them had been to a different b school (say HBS or Stanford) - maybe that would seem like the reason.     Anyway, people build a lot of mythology around PE and what school you go to. It is mostly BS - if you have the background for the particular position at the particular firm - you'll be at no disadvantage because you went to Wharton over HBS - of course UNC over HBS might be a different story. My general experience with HBS grads at McK has been that they have good polish -  regardless of how smart they are or not.  I think being 100% case oriented - HBS selects for good verbal communication and poise.

necroosu

这个校友说的没错，IB或Cosulting招聘都是典型的鸡生蛋蛋生鸡的问题，PE就更极端了。HBS统领PE招聘（绝对数和比例都是）的原因更多来自于她招了几乎同样比例的PE背景的学生。S在美国VC的统治力也多少源自于此。这些人已经经过大学、第一份工作（GS、MS，好吧再加个JPM）的多轮竞争进入PE，上商学院（H/S/W）也只是通向小康的一个必要的点缀，找工作时也不会回头再来投行的sweat shop，相应得也给其他想转PE的IB们增添了挑战。从这方面来说，即使进了H/S/W，也不是人人平等（当然也不是所有都向钱看齐），竞争只会更加激烈和残酷。

scion

越看越像yy

Tigeroo

你看这个同学哪家学校没有提起就知道他们最Care的或是最Close的竞争者是谁了。

Tigeroo

这个同学应该考虑一下Data mining的问题，这个问题在概率或者Investment之类的课里有。在Leadership课里也有。
下面是09的就业报告，未必完全准，但是应该没有data mining的问题
http://forum.chasedream.com/North_American_MBA/thread-441498-1-1.html