chicago和columbia那个好？

turbo2008

Hi Jason, which school has a better China network. Also, where would it be easier to land a job in greater China?
Disclaimer: I applied to both schools ... interviewd with Booth last month ... received an interview from CBS recently

UocBooth

嗯，你是对的，剑桥的确是很牛的学校。
以下是Chicago的数据
85 Nobel Prize winners, including 8 current faculty， Since 1979, 13 of Chicago’s faculty have been honored with the prize—four in physics, eight in economics, and one in literature
经济系一共产生了22名获奖者。其中6名现在是商学院的Faculty。而诺贝尔经济学奖自1969年首次颁奖以来，已经整整经历了41届，获奖总人数为64人。超过3分之一的经济奖得主不是在芝大授课或授课过就是芝大的校友（PHD），对于商学院的学生或毕业生而言，是不错的谈资。具体到学习上，一些他们得奖的理论和Paper在上课的时侯会提供给你，像Becker的获奖的Paper，我记得是上微观的时侯教授和我们讨论的。一些大家认为未来有可能获奖的教授的理论也会在教科书里，或是上课时Hands out。

cannedpineapple

turbo2008>
I have no idea- I did not attend Columbia. Though I have tried contacting alumni from Chicago in China, I think it really depends on what area of focus you're in. Plus, as UofcBooth mentioned, sometimes a smaller alumni network can indicate higher, rather than lower, quality.

In addition, I am probably not the best person to ask, since I'm not a very good networker, and am generally too lazy to contact others for job-hunting purposes.

Wordance:

"Don't get me wrong GSB is a great school, and they're probably closer to the cutting edge of financial theory, but unless you're getting a PhD that doesn't matter."

I don't think most people fully appreciate how they're shaped by their environment. When you are at a school that is at the cutting edge of financial theory, and the culture of the place is such that everyone is keenly driving towards some sense of truth, this affects you whether you are a PhD, MBA, BA- whatever degree you're studying for, it affects you, as long as you need to do some thinking. At other schools, the focus might be on 'what is the right answer?' while at Chicago, we firmly believe that 'the right answer is the one that you have understood.' If you think that this logic applies only to a PhD student, that's fine- just understand that you are saying that as an MBA student, you are suggesting that you don't need to think- you just need to execute.

In this sense, while you will indeed not learn the "cutting edge of financial theory" when you are at Chicago, the 'cutting edge of financial theory' actually represents a kind of mindset, of chasing a particular type of answer. Chicago tries to train all its students to be good at  formulating our own answers, so that we might apply ourselves to finding answers in 'the real world', where everything you learn is immediately irrelevant.

wordance

wow jason i must say im truly impressed by your love for chicago....i'm feeling a bit indebted for that as you are talking like i'm already choosing between the two offers.
This post is just supposed to be a general comparison and discussion because i was surprised that there isn't already one on this forum.

both booth and columbia are tremendous schools and i will be laughing in my dreams to get into either of them. i don't even remotely feel i will have the luxury of choice. just that as someone who has applied for both i feel this comparison is a fair one to make.

again thanks for your insights. truly refreshing ones they are.

aspirant2010

嗯，你是对的，剑桥的确是很牛的学校。
以下是Chicago的数据
85 Nobel Prize winners, including 8 current faculty， Since 1979, 13 of Chicago’s faculty have been honored with the prize—four in physics, eight in economics, and one in literature
经济系一共产生了22名获奖者。其中6名现在是商学院的Faculty。而诺贝尔经济学奖自1969年首次颁奖以来，已经整整经历了41届，获奖总人数为64人。超过3分之一的经济奖得主不是在芝大授课或授课过就是芝大的校友（PHD），对于商学院的学生或毕业生而言，是不错的谈资。具体到学习上，一些他们得奖的理论和Paper在上课的时侯会提供给你，像Becker的获奖的Paper，我记得是上微观的时侯教授和我们讨论的。一些大家认为未来有可能获奖的教授的理论也会在教科书里，或是上课时Hands out。

-- by 会员 UocBooth (2009/12/10 18:11:53)

不知道这个版上有没有打算走学术道路的，呵呵，有没有谁的post-MBA goal是继续读DBA? 应该比较unique。

cannedpineapple

And Obama also taught at the University of Chicago law school.

I've never visited Columbia, but it sounds like a very good school. Perhaps the fact that it is in NYC is sometimes also a negative, because people think (unfairly) that it's not a very academic school. I remember that they had the guts to invite the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak there a while back- that, to me, is the hallmark of a school that dares to ask the difficult questions.

knightwhite

引用自business week
5.) Chicago - Pros: Finance education is second only to Wharton globally (and even that’s debatable). Probably the best facilities of all the top business schools. Fantastic job placements and close proximity to Chicago. Academic horsepower of profs is untouchable.
Cons: Socially awkward is an understatement. Unlike Whartonites who are just high strung, Chicago GSBers either never learned or quickly forgot how to communicate with peers. Make sure to wear a face mask if they’re talking to you ’cause spits going to fly.

6.) Columbia - Pros: Great location in the middle of global financial center (New York). Most diverse student body in terms of minorities and women. Very strong finance program. New York allows great social and job placement opportunities, and draws worldly, cosmopolitan students.
Cons: Cliquish and commuterish. Columbia is like a high school with super rich kids. High ***hole factor. This isn’t the kind of school where you’ll be going to house parties, its more like the kind of school where you’re expected to order bottle service for twenty guys on a student budget or else be ostracized

很丑的鬼脸

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lvp

If you wanna do banking in USA, they are the same. Columbia is easier for you to network but Chicago is easiser for you to show commitment.
If you wanna do banking in Asia, Chicago is better. Chicago's alum are famous for helping each other.

attract

CBS在美国人心里和Chicago Booth不是peer schools，要差一截的... 所谓M7是老印在BW论坛上炮制出来的。momentum也是Booth好一点

不过很多人会给CBS的location加分，所以看你自己value什么吧。Greater China Alum方面Booth要稍好些