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741#
发表于 2010-5-16 16:20:45 | 只看该作者
<font size="3"><font face="SimSun">感谢携隐跟</font><font face="MingLiU">stq</font><font face="SimSun">忙里抽空为我们回答这些</font><font face="MingLiU">insider</font><font face="SimSun">的问题</font><font face="MingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我今年秋天开始会在美国的</font><font face="MingLiU">1 tier</font><font face="SimSun">商学院就读</font><font face="MingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">目前从事的工作跟投行不知道是否能算沾上边</font><font face="MingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">例如</font><font face="MingLiU">: </font><font face="SimSun">设计客户</font><font face="MingLiU">(</font><font face="SimSun">非金融业</font><font face="MingLiU">)</font><font face="SimSun">的</font><font face="MingLiU">forecasting model, </font><font face="SimSun">还有一些零星的</font><font face="PMingLiU">derivative/options valuation review</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun"><br />工作算是非常杂</font><font face="PMingLiU">, </font><font face="PMingLiU">但是</font><font face="SimSun">能放在</font><font face="PMingLiU">CV</font><font face="SimSun">上的</font><font face="PMingLiU">finance </font><font face="SimSun">相关经验也没几项</font><font face="PMingLiU"></font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun"><br />我非常非常想到回到亚洲工作</font><font face="PMingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">尤其是香港</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我想请问两位</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">在你们自己的经验里跟同学的经验里</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">要进香港投行在</font><font face="PMingLiU">intern</font><font face="SimSun">这个阶段我们应该朝哪些方向努力</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我们需要常去纽约的投行吗</font><font face="PMingLiU">? </font><font face="SimSun">需要怎么建立香港投行的</font><font face="PMingLiU">networking</font><font face="SimSun">呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="SimSun">毕竟相差了半个地球</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">除了</font><font face="PMingLiU">networking/ cv</font><font face="SimSun">之外还有什么要注意的事项呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">还有</font><font face="PMingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">不知道现在香港的投行招</font><font face="PMingLiU">Intern</font><font face="SimSun">还多不多呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">…</font><font face="SimSun">金融海啸啊</font><font face="PMingLiU">…</font></font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font>
742#
发表于 2010-5-16 22:46:01 | 只看该作者
真是要谢谢携隐姐姐及各位前辈,看了帖子长了不少见识,受益匪浅!!!
743#
发表于 2010-5-17 15:43:47 | 只看该作者


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请问携隐姐姐和stq哥哥,都说传说中HK的IBD非常变态,具体怎么个变态法?能否和北美的进行一下对比啊?<br />主要是指的工作时长啊?还是MD的性情啊,还是客户变态程度阿~~~<br /><br />上海和北京这边呢?两位大侠有了解的么??<br /><br />话说如果不干投行,还真想不出要干啥了,之前脑子里心里全都是IB,如果说这条路不太适合的话,我还真是完全失去努力的方向了=。=苦恼啊!!!<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>orchidq</u> (2010/5/9 13:16:44)</div><br /><br /><br />
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<br /><br /><span style="color:#013add;">两边都一样变态,不过美国人比较装B,HK比较直接。但是呢,HK有HK的长处,我目前听下来是HK的生活比北美要好,工作量差不多但时间自由度相对比较高,当然好的程度也有限了。</span><div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>携隐</u> (2010/5/16 3:23:47)</div><br /><br />
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<br /><br />啊? 我以为是HK的hours最长呢...<br />美国人装B? 怎么解释啊?<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>开山怪</u> (2010/5/16 15:26:48)</div><br />
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<br /><br />同问同问啊~~~~HK装13的印象不知怎么这么深入人心=。=原来米国更BT啊??具体说来八卦一下吧~~~~<br />btw, 支持姐姐开博!!!!!!!!!撒花~~~~~
744#
发表于 2010-5-17 23:52:47 | 只看该作者
想问问关于职业规划的问题。我的目标自己一直是去纽约读书,毕业后能进顶尖投行.但是家里的资金有限,去不了纽约,也去不了美国,学费怎么就那么高呢!只有之后自己再努力了。之前看过帖子说要进顶尖的投行一定要有MBA的学历,请问是这样的吗?如果是的话这样规划行不行:本科是国内一般211院校,9月将去念英国金融硕士,毕业后工作3-4年,再申请美国top10的MBA. 那么3-4年的工作经验哪些公司或者说行业对以后的申请帮助比较大?我对金融行业一直很有兴趣,所以硕士接着读金融。那么按照上述的规划(要是对的话),请给我一些建议,谢谢!
745#
发表于 2010-5-18 02:28:48 | 只看该作者


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<br />啊? 我以为是HK的hours最长呢...<br />美国人装B? 怎么解释啊?<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>开山怪</u> (2010/5/16 15:26:48)</div><br />
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<br /><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">From what I have seen, in HK, it's accepted that junior people will work insane hours and meet impossible deadlines, so management doesn't try to sugarcoat their requests. &nbsp;But in the U.S., there's a tendency to be more &quot;pc&quot; (politically correct), so senior people often pretend to be nice and respectful when their demands are anything but. &nbsp;For example:</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial"></font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">A MD calls you Friday night and lets you know that he wants the 60-pg book done by Monday morning:</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">In HK, he would just call you and tell you as such.</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">In the U.S., he may say stuff like &quot;Oh please don't spend your entire weekend on this. &nbsp;Just need a few pages by Monday&quot;, then proceed to list out contents that you both know will take 60 pgs.</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial"></font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Both are pretty bad. &nbsp;But when senior people are pretending to be nice, often times you don't even get the credit for your hard work. &nbsp;e.g. If you told him you worked all weekend, he'd just say &quot;Oh but I TOLD you not to do that...&quot;, as if it's your own fault for being slow, haha. &nbspretty funny stuff in retrospect, but not so funny when you are going through it. </font></font>
746#
 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-18 02:34:48 | 只看该作者


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啊? 我以为是HK的hours最长呢...<br />美国人装B? 怎么解释啊?<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>开山怪</u> (2010/5/16 15:26:48)</div><br /><br />
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<br /><br />同问同问啊~~~~HK装13的印象不知怎么这么深入人心=。=原来米国更BT啊??具体说来八卦一下吧~~~~<br />btw, 支持姐姐开博!!!!!!!!!撒花~~~~~<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>orchidq</u> (2010/5/17 15:43:47)</div><br />
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<br /><br /><span style="color:#013add;">恩,可能我用错词了吧,我说的装是不同的装。。。HK可能是比装13,但是mean起来比美国直接(就是更加不把junior当人使)。美国人心理虽然都一样,但表面上会稍微客气一点,对junior的态度也会装的尊重一点儿,尤其对于女性,那肯定是碰不得的了,因为很怕被告或者人家哭啊,就好比再mean的MD,会把我的男同事骂的狗血喷头但是不会骂我。。。(当然这也不是什么好事,要是他对你失望,男同事被骂了还有机会,我们他不骂你但是也不会用你了)。<br /><br />香港的hours入行前我也听说比这里恐怖,但是入行后和香港的朋友聊下来觉得其实并不比我们累,很多时候是一样的,但是因为香港地方小,几乎几家大的都在一两个楼里(不过DB和MS都刚搬新楼了),附近可以消磨时间的饭店也很多,所以大家一有down time就可以呼朋唤友的去吃饭喝咖啡喝下午茶。时间上比较flexible,face time在香港比较少。如果是在China team,那大部分时间都在客户那里,办公室回不回,什么时候回,都由你自己。<br /><br />总的来说,这个行业就是很变态,即使两边有任何不同那都非常minor,大家不用老是纠结哪边life style好的问题,都一样差。</span>
747#
 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-18 02:52:30 | 只看该作者


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啊? 我以为是HK的hours最长呢...<br />美国人装B? 怎么解释啊?<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>开山怪</u> (2010/5/16 15:26:48)</div><br /><br />
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<br /><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">From what I have seen, in HK, it's accepted that junior people will work insane hours and meet impossible deadlines, so management doesn't try to sugarcoat their requests. &nbsp;But in the U.S., there's a tendency to be more &quot;pc&quot; (politically correct), so senior people often pretend to be nice and respectful when their demands are anything but. &nbsp;For example:</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial"></font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">A MD calls you Friday night and lets you know that he wants the 60-pg book done by Monday morning:</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">In HK, he would just call you and tell you as such.</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">In the U.S., he may say stuff like &quot;Oh please don't spend your entire weekend on this. &nbsp;Just need a few pages by Monday&quot;, then proceed to list out contents that you both know will take 60 pgs.</font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial"></font></font><br /><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Both are pretty bad. &nbsp;But when senior people are pretending to be nice, often times you don't even get the credit for your hard work. &nbsp;e.g. If you told him you worked all weekend, he'd just say &quot;Oh but I TOLD you not to do that...&quot;, as if it's your own fault for being slow, haha. &nbspretty funny stuff in retrospect, but not so funny when you are going through it. </font></font><div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>REgirl07</u> (2010/5/18 2:28:48)</div><br />
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<br /><br />haha, very true. One of the most frequently used lies in banking is like this:<br /><br />MD (Friday afternoon 4:30pm before he leaves for the week): ...yeah don't spend too much time on this, I dont' want to ruin your wkend/holiday/event/dinner/don't want you to stay pass midnight...I just need it (60 pages + three full-blown models, etc.) first thing in the morning/next Monday...<br /><br />Or the VP/D: ...yeah don't spend too much time on the model, just use a mini-merger, but build in the debt schedule and cash flow to get the interest expenses (means a full model)...yeah sure just use one research report, but make sure it's close to consensus and makes sense (means you still need to go through a few different reports)...shouldn't take more than two hours...
748#
 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-18 02:58:04 | 只看该作者


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<font size="3"><font face="SimSun">感谢携隐跟</font><font face="MingLiU">stq</font><font face="SimSun">忙里抽空为我们回答这些</font><font face="MingLiU">insider</font><font face="SimSun">的问题</font><font face="MingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我今年秋天开始会在美国的</font><font face="MingLiU">1 tier</font><font face="SimSun">商学院就读</font><font face="MingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">目前从事的工作跟投行不知道是否能算沾上边</font><font face="MingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">例如</font><font face="MingLiU">: </font><font face="SimSun">设计客户</font><font face="MingLiU">(</font><font face="SimSun">非金融业</font><font face="MingLiU">)</font><font face="SimSun">的</font><font face="MingLiU">forecasting model, </font><font face="SimSun">还有一些零星的</font><font face="PMingLiU">derivative/options valuation review</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun"><br />工作算是非常杂</font><font face="PMingLiU">, </font><font face="PMingLiU">但是</font><font face="SimSun">能放在</font><font face="PMingLiU">CV</font><font face="SimSun">上的</font><font face="PMingLiU">finance </font><font face="SimSun">相关经验也没几项</font><font face="PMingLiU"></font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun"><br />我非常非常想到回到亚洲工作</font><font face="PMingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">尤其是香港</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我想请问两位</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">在你们自己的经验里跟同学的经验里</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">要进香港投行在</font><font face="PMingLiU">intern</font><font face="SimSun">这个阶段我们应该朝哪些方向努力</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">我们需要常去纽约的投行吗</font><font face="PMingLiU">? </font><font face="SimSun">需要怎么建立香港投行的</font><font face="PMingLiU">networking</font><font face="SimSun">呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="SimSun">毕竟相差了半个地球</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">除了</font><font face="PMingLiU">networking/ cv</font><font face="SimSun">之外还有什么要注意的事项呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">?</font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font></font><br /><font size="3"><font face="SimSun">还有</font><font face="PMingLiU">,</font><font face="SimSun">不知道现在香港的投行招</font><font face="PMingLiU">Intern</font><font face="SimSun">还多不多呢</font><font face="PMingLiU">…</font><font face="SimSun">金融海啸啊</font><font face="PMingLiU">…</font></font><font face="PMingLiU"><br /></font><div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>khll</u> (2010/5/16 16:20:45)</div><br />
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<br /><span style="color:#013add;">你的背景跟banking完全不沾边,虽然是finance相关的,但和普通corporate或consulting出来的背景也没有什么大的区别。banking看背景其实不是说非要和finance沾边(但是要和business沾点边,否则一下子转太大很难解释),你的stories,你的表现,你的工作职位经验responsibilities才是最重要的。如果都要找相关背景的,直接从行业内找人不就行了,何必找MBA。<br /><br />每个top school都会组织去香港的招聘trip,届时会一一拜访所有大的firm。借此和校友多多联系。除此之外真没有机会去香港network,人家也不指望你去。简历相对来说比较重要,面试也很重要,但是基本去的同学都会得到面试机会,所以不用太担心networking的问题。</span>
749#
 楼主| 发表于 2010-5-18 03:05:44 | 只看该作者


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想问问关于职业规划的问题。我的目标自己一直是去纽约读书,毕业后能进顶尖投行.但是家里的资金有限,去不了纽约,也去不了美国,学费怎么就那么高呢!只有之后自己再努力了。之前看过帖子说要进顶尖的投行一定要有MBA的学历,请问是这样的吗?如果是的话这样规划行不行:本科是国内一般211院校,9月将去念英国金融硕士,毕业后工作3-4年,再申请美国top10的MBA. 那么3-4年的工作经验哪些公司或者说行业对以后的申请帮助比较大?我对金融行业一直很有兴趣,所以硕士接着读金融。那么按照上述的规划(要是对的话),请给我一些建议,谢谢!<div style="text-align:right;">-- by 会员 <u>gudujiangwen</u> (2010/5/17 23:52:47)</div><br />
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<br /><br /><span style="color:#013add;">如果你说的进顶尖投行是在纽约的话,那何必纠结于是不是在纽约读书呢。只要你能进好的MBA,进投行得机会还是很多的。<br /><br />进顶尖的投行(假设你说的顶尖是BB firms)是需要MBA的,因为投行的招聘在junior level只有同行挖人,MBA校园招聘(必须是target schools)以及内部promote三种。至于怎么进MBA,这个没有固定的path,generally speaking,就是找到以你目前的资源和能力范围内最好的工作,在工作上尽最大的努力,好好学东西,积累经验。其他的你都无法控制,多想无益。</span>
750#
发表于 2010-5-18 03:10:52 | 只看该作者
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