[讨论]OG11上一些小小的知识点 囧囧的我提点儿囧囧的问题

xxxyyyzzz1

这个是太xxxx以至于的意思吧？中学学的最基础的那种？

飞不高

以下是引用LWfighting在2009-4-19 16:09:00的发言：

不好意思~刚看到您的第二个留言~~嘿嘿 把我刚才的回复忽略掉吧~~

我语法不透彻 做题时常靠语感^^我想请教一个问题哈~~

我也能感觉到so as to marry Anne Boleyn  的逻辑主语很 not clear 有多重可能...但是我判断不出除了 King Henry VIII 具体还有哪些可能...您说“可能有两个逻辑主语：hengry 3 和 his marriage，所以不合适”为什么它的逻辑主语不会是Queen Catherine 呢？

我真的不懂哦诶~~麻烦解释解释啦~~

个人觉得，考场上很多时候可能就是靠感觉答题，否则速度快不了。

不过，感觉也有不同阶段吧，开始是朦胧的，就是“蒙”，然后通过作题总结，掌握规律，进化到手中无剑，心中亦无剑，就无敌了，哈哈。

嘿嘿，我还在靠感觉的社会主义初级阶段。

have his marriage to Queen Catherine 是一个整体，queen catherine 作为介词to的宾语，整个词组的中心词是marriage.

所以，queen catherine不会起到干扰作用。

飞不高

以下是引用LWfighting在2009-4-19 16:14:00的发言：

麻烦再请问一下这道题C选项的解释哈

In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.

(A)  so as to marry

(B)  and so could be married to

(C)  to be married to

(D)  so that he could marry

C选项的解释是【the infinitive must  be preceded by a conjunction(in order) 】为什么啊？完全迷茫了...

in order to 也有歧义吧……

另外，marry to，这个 to 多余吧

xxxyyyzzz1

菜鸟我在OG上找到一道题，不承认so  as 表否定的比较的。。。
OG76
never before had taxpayers confronted so many changes at once as they had in the Tax Reform Act of 1986.
我们抛开时态不说，

A的解释是：so many...as is not the correct indiom.....

答案选了as many chages at once as they confronted in

what's ur opinion?

syxphoebe

关于C）

我想。这里前半部分的句意已经挺清楚地了。原文中so as to的出现表明了这里需要的是一个目的状语。读完C)总感觉句子成分间的关系不清晰。挺乱的。加入一个连词in order 。既能更好的表现前半句的purpose，又使得前后半句的划分清晰可见。不是很好吗？就像D）中，句子关系一目了然。

而且不定式to单独出现时一般更常在固定搭配或习惯表达中吧。同时，好像，不可以出现在句尾（即，逗号之后成为一个单独的成分）

只是个人感觉。至于一些总结性的观点因为学习进度有限还说不好哈。

syxphoebe

so。。。as在否定句中使用。

否定句仅限于no和not。

这里never只是有否定意味。但并不是否定句。所以用as。。。as是正确的。

syxphoebe

同意。飞不高的观点。in order to 有歧义。

请看NN tianwan所分析的。觉得挺有道理的。大家看看哈。

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-1 23:42:00的发言：

So as to 做为目的状语使用，和in order to一样，是不定是做目的状语的明确形式。
                

 

1、
            既然做状语，
            修饰对象要明确。在这一句话里面，so as to前有2个限定动词，sought和have，这样就造成了歧义：是sought….. so as to, 还是have…annulled so as to。注意，从意思上看，这种歧义对我们中国人并没有造成迷惑，但是从语法上分析，是有问题的。就像有些动词必须要接动名词，有些动词必须要接不定式一样，你不能说"我看懂了，没有造成我理解上的问题,所以对了"，因为语法上规定了，错的就是错的。
                

 

2、 have sth done也很有意思，done后还隐藏着别的主语。所以so as to/in order to/to放在这种结构后面，好像也有些不妥。
                

 

3、 so that避免了1和2的问题。但是在简单系表结构后使用so as to还是很好的。

飞不高

以下是引用xxxyyyzzz1在2009-4-19 17:01:00的发言：

菜鸟我在OG上找到一道题，不承认so  as 表否定的比较的。。。
OG76
never before had taxpayers confronted so many changes at once as they had in the Tax Reform Act of 1986.
我们抛开时态不说，

A的解释是：so many...as is not the correct indiom.....

答案选了as many chages at once as they confronted in

what's ur opinion?

Never before had taxpayers confronted so many

changes at once as they had in the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

(A)  so many changes at once as they had in

(B)  at once as many changes as

(C)  at once as many changes that there were with

(D)  as many changes at once as they confronted in

(E)  so many changes at once that confronted them in

Choice D is the best answer, stating grammatically and clearly that, with the 1986 Tax Reform Act, taxpayers confronted more simultaneous changes than ever before. In choice A, the past perfect had [confronted] illogically places the 1986 events in the same time frame as Never before had...; a simple past tense is needed to present the 1986 events as following the earlier ones. Choices B and C awkwardly place at once between confronted and its direct object, changes. Furthermore, B illogically states that the Act itself was many changes, when the point is rather that it presented many changes, and as many ... that is an unidiomatic comparison. Choice E, too, presents an unidiomatic comparison with so many... that.

A的解释里面没找到so many...as is not the correct indiom.....

难道版本不同么

105. An inventory equal to 90 days sales is as much as even the strongest businesses carry, and then only as a way to anticipate higher prices or ensure against shortages.

(A)  as much as even

(B)   so much as even

(C)  even so much as

(D)  even as much that

(E)   even so much that

The idiomatic form for this type of comparison is as much as. Thus, choice A is best. The phrase so much as is used unidiomatically in choices B and C; so much as is considered idiomatic if it is preceded by a negative, as in "She left not so much as a trace." In choices C, D, and E, even is misplaced so that it no longer clearly modifies the strongest businesses. Moreover, the use of that rather than as is unidiomatic in choices D and E.

如果我没搞错的话，og10和11中，大概只有这么一道题用到了not  so...as，但是是用在 not so much...as这样一种固定结构中，不知是否可以看作是ets承认 so...as可以用于否定。

你们有别的例子么？

飞不高

以下是引用syxphoebe在2009-4-19 17:27:00的发言：

同意。飞不高的观点。in order to 有歧义。

请看NN tianwan所分析的。觉得挺有道理的。大家看看哈。

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-1 23:42:00的发言：

So as to 做为目的状语使用，和in order to一样，是不定是做目的状语的明确形式。
    

 

 

1、
   既然做状语，
   修饰对象要明确。在这一句话里面，so as to前有2个限定动词，sought和have，这样就造成了歧义：是sought….. so as to, 还是have…annulled so as to。注意，从意思上看，这种歧义对我们中国人并没有造成迷惑，但是从语法上分析，是有问题的。就像有些动词必须要接动名词，有些动词必须要接不定式一样，你不能说"我看懂了，没有造成我理解上的问题,所以对了"，因为语法上规定了，错的就是错的。
    

 

 

2、 have sth done也很有意思，done后还隐藏着别的主语。所以so as to/in order to/to放在这种结构后面，好像也有些不妥。
    

 

 

3、 so that避免了1和2的问题。但是在简单系表结构后使用so as to还是很好的。

nn 就是 nn，清楚！！