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别再让起薪遮住了你的眼睛.

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21#
发表于 2008-11-11 22:32:00 | 只看该作者
关于起薪,一句话,好汉不吃眼前亏。
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发表于 2008-11-12 00:26:00 | 只看该作者

做人都要面对现实,希望各位07届的同学,少考虑一些和前两届的比较,多考虑一些实际的机会和长远的发展。外部环境不好时,更需要乐观积极的态度!祝大家好运!

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发表于 2008-11-12 19:53:00 | 只看该作者

楼主所说大势相同,但是如果你在一个外企准备工作时间长些,起薪低是非常吃亏的,因为每年只有7%到10%的加薪,就算promotion也顶多15%到20%的增加,所以你在一家公司做了两三年熟手,比人家刚跳过来新手还低很多呢,结果如果你想得到高薪就只能选择跳槽,要知道外企有外企规则,不会为了你一个打破规矩。当然楼主说的情况也是事实,有些package salary或者是其他机会,但是如果你在一个公司呆了两年,公司提拨你了,还会平白无故再多给你些所谓package? 这些package,relocation机会往往是会在你刚进公司,你的工资已经达到一个市场水准,公司又需要你才会给你这样谈判机会。进去之后,除非你要离开公司,公司才会重开机会给你,但是这样做,已经不太容易留住人心了。否则,能用较低水平工资留住人,公司为何不愿。

当然,楼主意思是说不要为了钱而迷失大方向是另一个意思了。我也只是表明一种现象。


[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-12 19:55:22编辑过]
24#
发表于 2008-11-13 01:33:00 | 只看该作者

7% to 10%? nah...

sometimes it's 2% to 4%

我个人认为起薪还是很重要的

但是起薪虽重要 我也认同楼主说的 这不是唯一 更重要的是是否能奠定你要的基础

太多人只在乎起薪了

这事儿真的不太好

25#
发表于 2008-11-13 02:36:00 | 只看该作者

花则学长,之前有短消息你,不知道你看到了没?

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-11-13 10:39:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用star994在2008-11-13 2:36:00的发言:

花则学长,之前有短消息你,不知道你看到了没?

我给你回短信了啊..

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-11-13 10:55:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用jamsdhu在2008-11-12 19:53:00的发言:

楼主所说大势相同,但是如果你在一个外企准备工作时间长些,起薪低是非常吃亏的,因为每年只有7%到10%的加薪,就算promotion也顶多15%到20%的增加,所以你在一家公司做了两三年熟手,比人家刚跳过来新手还低很多呢,结果如果你想得到高薪就只能选择跳槽,要知道外企有外企规则,不会为了你一个打破规矩。当然楼主说的情况也是事实,有些package salary或者是其他机会,但是如果你在一个公司呆了两年,公司提拨你了,还会平白无故再多给你些所谓package? 这些package,relocation机会往往是会在你刚进公司,你的工资已经达到一个市场水准,公司又需要你才会给你这样谈判机会。进去之后,除非你要离开公司,公司才会重开机会给你,但是这样做,已经不太容易留住人心了。否则,能用较低水平工资留住人,公司为何不愿。

当然,楼主意思是说不要为了钱而迷失大方向是另一个意思了。我也只是表明一种现象。


我们说的是两个层面的事情..我的本意是"毕业的起薪"或者"行业的起薪"..

你说的是公司的起薪. 我很同意你的观点,在这个公司里的起薪直接影响到之后的薪资涨幅.我们称呼这个"manage expectation"..公司对于内部promote的干部,薪水给的都不如通过猎头在外面找的高. 比如我们公司从senior manager promote到general manager, 薪水不会是一个double的幅度,而是GM的paypoint的80%.但是从外面猎来的GM,120%的paypoint还要高.

如果没有升职,7%-10%是大致每年薪水涨幅,还要看appraisal的分数.现在经济不景气,很多公司把这个7%都冻结了.这个时候,很多人会跳槽,这样的跳槽将会带来double, 或者100k-200k的涨薪幅度..我以前的帖子也说过,我们在毕业之后的一年之后很多人都是这样的"跳龙门"..

所以,忠告就是先拿一个不高的"行业起薪"进入行业,然后展现你在商学院学到的东西,发挥你的特长,在这个行业里面跳龙门...

现在商学院的排名都是看毕业三年的薪水涨幅,而不是起薪了.我之前对中欧排名的看法里面也提到过,起薪没有被放在考评的项目中.无所谓什么PPP..

28#
发表于 2008-11-14 12:12:00 | 只看该作者

晕。。。没收到呀。。。

可不可以再回复一次?

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发表于 2008-11-14 20:05:00 | 只看该作者

狂顶一下LZ的文章啊,因为太popular,竟然在Business Week上发现了英文版本啊.....

因为这是全球性的金融危机,让海外的其他MBA学子也能拜读一下.

Do not let the starting pay blind you to opportunities

I attended a 3 hour tele-conference yesterday. The main topic is review of 2009 budget against the global financial crisis. In other words, its about cost reduction. Every head of business unit have to provide detailed target and time schedule for the savings amount. Other than business costs, the main items to be reduced are entertainment expenses, other expenses, freeze head-count. The main focus of attention is regarding recruitment.
 
1.Relocation is no longer encouraged, as relocation will incur additional costs like housing and allowance. Sometimes these benefits add up to more than the basic pay of the employee.

2. Localization of senior management positions. This is because expatriation of foreigners will incur housing allowance as much as 450K. It goes without saying that our company will not be taking in fresh MBA graduates as management trainee this year.


A current MBA student asked me to help with interviewing for a position in my company. When he knows that the pay package is only 300K, he commented that it is less than the school average. I am thus concerned about the employment situation this year. Our company is one of the top 500 in Shanghai, and cost savings target will make it tougher for MBA job placement. I suspect my own experience will repeat again year after year. What you measure is what you get. Unfortunately, MBA schools measures average starting pay that affects the expectation of MBA students every year.


In my own experience, the anxiety of job hunting started 2 to 3 months before graduation. Some classmates already with offer in hand will look forward to a better offer down the road. Naturally, "better offer" implies something with a higher starting pay, and such offers naturally goes to candidates with compatible job experience and company background, or from industries like IB, VC and consultancy. Once the information get around, those with low paying offers from big companies will feel unhappy, and those who seek a job in a different industry will be under additional pressure.


The truth is that senior positions in large companies will not go to fresh MBA graduates with no relevant experience, even if the candidate does very well academically. Even if such a candidate performance exceptionally well in interview and cases, they will most likely get a management trainee position as a bridge. But companies tend to use internship-like opportunities like these to groom fresh MBA graduates before moving them to more senior positions. I believe now, that to secure a management trainee position in one of the top 500 companies will be a great opportunity. But when I had the opportunity, I gave it up due to my starting pay expectation. Some other companies will provide opportunity for assistant manager, internal consultant or other positions with even lesser pay to the candidates from a different industrial background. But opportunities like these will be unattractive to those seeking high starting pay.

At my time, I wanted a job in FMCG marketing, but I lack the industrial experience. After 6 rounds of interview at Pepsico, I did not get the job. However, another local company wanted to give me a related position, and I gave it up due to the low starting pay. I chose to return to my previous industry. Later, I heard from the HR from Pepsico that I would have easily secured a senior position with them if I worked for 6 months with the local company. A headhunter also said that the local position is an open door, which will provide me access to other related companies like Adidas. Thinking back, I remembered that I secured my previous job at a market leader only after accumulating a year of working experience.  Whenever I think back at this missed opportunity, I feel sad that I will never get another chance like that.


Among my MBA classmates, some stayed firm to their dreams. An experience engineer gave up high paying opportunities in engineering to become a boutique manager with a leading luxury retailer. Another became a HR recruiter with a top 500 firm, and left 2 years later to become a GM of HR and Partner of another top 500 firm. They made it in the end, but had to withstand tough pressure in the beginning, when in comparison other classmates have higher pay and talk about buying cars and houses..


So, given the current global financial situation, I would advice graduating MBA students not to care too much about the starting pay, but focus instead on how the job offer will affect your career development in the next 3 years. For candidates looking to switch industry, stay focus and look out for any opportunity that comes your way. Management trainee positions, internship positions with 500 firms, IB, consulting, anything...

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发表于 2008-11-17 20:01:00 | 只看该作者
哈哈,这个英文版本居然是我们同学的翻译杰作。
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