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慕容楠生

不管有没有，你都可以先假装有，先去忽悠民营企业家身家过20亿还没完成上市的。

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这么给你说吧，我哥以前仅仅是挂在高盛名下的公司的一个团队谈判经理。实际不是高盛的正式编制。结果国内富豪榜最高前三名的也请吃饭，用酒号称“茅台百年陈酿”。以前在他还没买车的时候，富豪榜的富翁就把不错的车送他用来开越野从深圳开到四川腹地再从四川腹地开回深圳。

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以上是一个高盛非编制的“分支公司"成员的生活。

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[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-13 20:45:59编辑过]

慕容楠生

我和我哥很少见面，在我做研发自我感觉良好挺有希望挣钱的时候，我那老板请我哥和他们两谈判代表在北京吃饭，我也去了。

那时候我哥喝着饮料挥挥手指说了句台词“只用两三亿倒是个小数目。”

我当时就快喝噎着了。这个时候看看他们的谈吐表情，好象市民在说猪肉刚刚涨价还不算太贵一样随意。

这个时候我知道，要学的还多。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-13 20:50:16编辑过]

慕容楠生

你忘记了慕容复和乔峰两人的老爸都是以非核心业务施主身份在藏经阁里学功夫的。

ranning

to ls:

慕容楠生

以下是引用慕容楠生在2008-1-13 20:58:00的发言：
你忘记了慕容复和乔峰两人的老爸都是以非核心业务施主身份在藏经阁里学功夫的。

___此贴是没有编辑过的。。中文，，中文阅读能力，，中文阅读能力啊。。。。

《论华人MBA的中文阅读修养》。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

我没说楼主去的已经是核心业务。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

——再打个比喻，就是你想演奥斯卡电影里一配角，还是演TVB电视连续剧里一当家花旦。。。。。。。。。。严格的说，各取所需。只不过我宁愿顶一下配角罢了。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-14 1:38:04编辑过]

ulcerated

Forget IB Operation, it is a 3rd tier startup job that will never get you anywhere! especially HK!

One
of my ex. mentor (the Chinese dear friend Dr. Stiglitz, who just
cheated China billions USD annually together with the Japs on Carbon
Emission Credit, pulling a traditional World Bank ADB helping China
trick) once said referring to a poker game called texas hold'em,
professional poker players play their opponents, experienced poker
players play on their own cards, wanna-be poker players play on the
community cards and chip stack. We were talking about the "food chain"
of financial market as Stiglitz was explaining his invention of the new
environmental financial instruments.

The wanna-be goes to IBs
for game plan and PM for development: M&A and IPO (IPO is the easy
part) without its own playbook; the experienced ones goes to IB and
other public accessible SPs for game plan and PM with its own playbook;
the real players makes its own game plan and hires private agent (not
accessible for wanna-be) to facilitate with SPs and outsource detailed
PR works to IBs. Note the differences: wanna-be: the new China
Investment Corp & black stone; the experienced: Mr.Shi Yuzhu and
his gaming company NYSE IPO, Super Li with his oil venture in Canada;
the real playa? consider the strategy and execution of the Carlyle
Group (US) and the Wallenberg (EU). Or check out how Al Gore made his
fortune after stepping down from office.

Unless you want to
become a power trader in the real casino (future trading tournament
with minimum buy-in of 1 billion USD cash). IB is just the next level
of outsourcing for the power player. 

On the flip side, you
can join this consulting firm with a humble attitude, meet people,
develop a decent network, put in your effort and learn about real
problems on the ground, you can be better prepared for a future in IB
after your MBA. Finance is just one of the components to a
successful IB career.

PS The person LS is referring to is in a
industry called Chinese Securities (Secondary) Market, where there is
no true IBs (since they only do IPO and nothing after that) and CPC
have retired the only power player in 03. Their biggest advantage is
they jump on all the opportunities now (the culture of making money
now!), but real business takes commitment, determination and integrity
to improve and grow. So these people will be replaced as Chinese market
continue to progress legitimately.  

//IBs in China are
looking for SPs to outsource PR works, such as road show planning and
organization, I suggest LS/LZ to open up a SP to IB.
This is probably a better option than joining a consulting firm.

PS Having problems with Chinese input software.  Anyways, IBs need to understand China's true problems and China needs to learn about how to use IBs or other service providers, to be a good bridge, you must understand the problems from top to bottom, and to start off, you want maximum exposure to situations on the ground.
 

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-14 6:31:13编辑过]

慕容楠生

你把我涉及到的外人名字和地点跟我的帖一样省略掉，说过头了。谢谢。

——当然事情都是不好复制的。我哥是中国第一届的证券专业毕业生那时候都没听说有这么个东西。也是第一批“遭人唾骂的股评”之一。那时候股民智商才起步。早你们5，6年出生可能已经有了不少变化。

——10年前进华为的都觉得牛得不行，过了这10年就变成苦力。

————行业变化经历已经无法复制的话，我表示道歉言论对iber职业评论出现了误导。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-1-14 13:45:04编辑过]

慕容楠生

以下是引用ulcerated在2008-1-14 6:20:00的发言：
Forget IB Operation, it is a 3rd tier startup job that will never get you anywhere! especially HK!

One
of my ex. mentor (the Chinese dear friend Dr. Stiglitz, who just
cheated China billions USD annually together with the Japs on Carbon
Emission Credit, pulling a traditional World Bank ADB helping China
trick) once said referring to a poker game called texas hold'em,
professional poker players play their opponents, experienced poker
players play on their own cards, wanna-be poker players play on the
community cards and chip stack. We were talking about the "food chain"
of financial market as Stiglitz was explaining his invention of the new
environmental financial instruments.

The wanna-be goes to IBs
for game plan and PM for development: M&A and IPO (IPO is the easy
part) without its own playbook; the experienced ones goes to IB and
other public accessible SPs for game plan and PM with its own playbook;
the real players makes its own game plan and hires private agent (not
accessible for wanna-be) to facilitate with SPs and outsource detailed
PR works to IBs. Note the differences: wanna-be: the new China
Investment Corp & black stone; the experienced: Mr.Shi Yuzhu and
his gaming company NYSE IPO, Super Li with his oil venture in Canada;
the real playa? consider the strategy and execution of the Carlyle
Group (US) and the Wallenberg (EU). Or check out how Al Gore made his
fortune after stepping down from office.

Unless you want to
become a power trader in the real casino (future trading tournament
with minimum buy-in of 1 billion USD cash). IB is just the next level
of outsourcing for the power player. 

On the flip side, you
can join this consulting firm with a humble attitude, meet people,
develop a decent network, put in your effort and learn about real
problems on the ground, you can be better prepared for a future in IB
after your MBA. Finance is just one of the components to a
successful IB career.

PS The person LS is referring to is in a
industry called Chinese Securities (Secondary) Market, where there is
no true IBs (since they only do IPO and nothing after that) and CPC
have retired the only power player in 03. Their biggest advantage is
they jump on all the opportunities now (the culture of making money
now!), but real business takes commitment, determination and integrity
to improve and grow. So these people will be replaced as Chinese market
continue to progress legitimately.  

//IBs in China are
looking for SPs to outsource PR works, such as road show planning and
organization, I suggest LS/LZ to open up a SP to IB.
This is probably a better option than joining a consulting firm.

PS Having problems with Chinese input software.  Anyways, IBs need to understand China's true problems and China needs to learn about how to use IBs or other service providers, to be a good bridge, you must understand the problems from top to bottom, and to start off, you want maximum exposure to situations on the ground.
 

——最值得骄傲的是把大虾逼出水面了，看您写的象是一篇GMAT阅读里的论述文了。。自卑中。