大全上 天山新题20 -2 的 答案有误

channing76

偶也正郁闷哪！been able to see =seen, marking＋短语表状态不是满好de.谢谢纠正。

windweed

天山-02 Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark

(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark

(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of

(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking（D）

(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

以下是引用caterpillar在2004-7-11 3:52:00的发言：

不知道这题NN们最后有没有统一意见了？

个人的理解：还是支持A。1、如果说A中的with结构修饰上有歧义，那D中的with结构修饰上也有歧义。2、OG中的例子：Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging（答案）like socks on a clothesline.

(跟这题很相象，所以感觉还是应该选A。

我觉得这句独立主格是修饰seen 后面的" monkeys sleeping on the branches"

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

我觉得这题和og那个例子有点不同. 但是我还是觉得A 好. 但是我人为KAPLIN的解释并不好.

独立主格with结构到底是修饰谁的? 主句里的subject有好几个, 如果是修饰整句好象又有点不通哦. 觉得A 中with...修饰layer 挺好的, 也不知道有没有这样的用法.

有没有关于独立主格是在句中可以怎样修饰的语法知识点(比方说是否可修饰句中一个部分,是否可修饰主语,或者是谓语动词) ?好象此结不解,这题总没有定论.

还盼望大家继续讨论, 对通过此题弄清独立主格的用法.

hpp920

我支持D.

A的with结构有修饰歧义,OG里多次有提到. 但D的独立主格没有歧义.

携隐

支持D，觉得Snazzy的意见较合理：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=38581&id=38581&skin=0

BE able to --- kind of ability

can -- kind of possibility

here 'be able to' is employed simply because visiters need to have the ability to notice sediment and tell the passage of time.

弱弱的问一句：即使A没有修饰歧义，没有句子结构上的毛病，其中的mark时态对吗？前面都是完成时，为什么这里变成一般现在时了？介词短语中的定语从句动作不需要和主句一致吗？

携隐

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小葵

这两道题我也错了。冒昧问一句，天山哪里来的？怎么题目感觉怪怪的？？

wwwhahchn

以下是引用携隐在2005-5-28 16:55:00的发言：

支持D，觉得Snazzy的意见较合理：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=38581&id=38581&skin=0

BE able to --- kind of ability

can -- kind of possibility

here 'be able to' is employed simply because visiters need to have the ability to notice sediment and tell the passage of time.

弱弱的问一句：即使A没有修饰歧义，没有句子结构上的毛病，其中的mark时态对吗？前面都是完成时，为什么这里变成一般现在时了？介词短语中的定语从句动作不需要和主句一致吗？

我觉得mark的时态没什么问题，表示一个自然状态，相当于真理，用一般现在时很好吖

remona9t

114. From the bark of the paper birch tree the Menomini crafted a canoe about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar, which could carry four persons or eight hundred pounds of baggage so light that a person could easily portage it around impeding rapids.

(A) baggage so light

(B) baggage being so light

(C) baggage, yet being so light

(D) baggage, and so light（E）

(E) baggage yet was so light

OG例这道题的用法就是：SVO, with + N (并非独立主格)，

根据longman的解释：

2
having, possessing, or carrying something

a tall gentleman with a grey beard

a book with a green cover a man with a gun

We need someone with bright new ideas.

114题里的with应该是修饰宾语，即canoe, 至于修饰歧义的问题，我想主要还是要具体问题具体分析，在114题里，没有其他的名词或动词可以被with短语修饰，所以不存在修饰歧义的问题。

回到天山这道题：. Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.
(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark
(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark
(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of
(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking
(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

如果with短语不能修饰前面的gaping canyon（即逻辑意思上不搭配），就不存在修饰歧义的问题

可根据kaplan的解释：whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), 如果代词会存在修饰歧义的问题，那么，我认为，with短语在这里作为非限定性的修饰成分，也会存在修饰歧义的问题。--不解中

关于with独立主格的修饰对象：

longman中是这样解释的：

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used to say what position or state someone or something is in, or what is happening, when someone does something，--表达一种状态(OG25)，或是伴随的事件

She stood with her back to me.

We lay in bed with the window open.

She was knitting, with the television on.

with somebody/something doing something
We jumped into the water with bullets whizzing past our ears.

或表示原因状语：

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because of a situation that exists
With John away there's more room in the house.
with something doing something
I can't do my homework with all this noise going on.

我认为D这里使用with的独立主格结构是不恰当的，with colors marking, 并不是某一种状态、or position or state something is in, 也不可能表示原因状语，而使用with + N, 表达having, possessing,却是恰当的，所以从修饰的句意上来看，我认为A更好一些。只是kaplan将whose等待词排除的原因与使用with短语有些矛盾，还希望大家在讨论。

open to discussion

remona9t

以下是引用mariezhu在2004-3-26 9:40:00的发言：
关于第二题，不知道大家有没有查过lack的用法，我手头的字典我一直感觉不是太好，上面只有sb lack sth的用法，不知道更好的字典里有没有sth lack in这种用法？我觉得有点可疑，请大牛验证一下？
另外，关于MAKE UP FOR,新概念英语第四册第13课中就有个完美的句子：no benefactions and research endowments can make up for the change in the character which the city (Oxford) has suffered.

9. Baker was perhaps not the most gifted soloist in the orchestra, but the conductor felt what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by the passion with which he played the music.
(A) what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(B) what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by
(C) whatever was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(D) whatever he lacked in technical skill was more than made up for by
(E) whatever he lacked in technical skill he more than made up by

在longman里查了一下lack的用法，归纳了一下：

lack(n.) of,

lack(verb) sth,

lack(verb) for sth,

be lacking(adj.) in sth

但这道题D选项，应该时应用了lack sth.动词的用法，与介词短语连用，并不存在lack搭配的问题

And the Ports have lacked real aggression in midfield --longman

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howardwang

以下是引用mariezhu在2004-3-26 9:35:00的发言：
个人感觉看没看到layers of sediment与个人能力无关，所以be able to是第一眼就该排除的选项。
一家之言，open to discussion....
感谢bluestonel提供的这个知识点，whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), it's used incorrectly
以后我会在做题时加以验证。

觉得说的有理，应该是A