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interesting discussion. i also noted the fact that indians seem to have better chances climbing up the ladders. even in my company, a boutique consulting firm, there are two indians made it to parnters (seven in total), while no chinese did. but that really proves nothing but a first-mover advantage. they went abroad earlier, walked every step right, and made it to the top. if a brilliant chinese come out in the 1980s, join the company after graduating from one of world's fine universities/BSchools, they can make it too -- if they choose not to go back China. similarly if you look at pepsi or citi or vodafone ceo's resume, think about how early they get exposured to western culture, and what most of chinese r doing by then, it's really easy to explain today's difference. so how about now? my general feeling is, in true multi-national companies, nobody cares about your nationality. performance is always most important. of coz performance can be linked to many subtle factors like your personal image, communication skills, cultural awareness, etc, etc. but again, it's a fair competition. leverage on strengths and improve on weaknesses to maximize opportunities, nothing emotional or national. note that i'm talking about 'truly multi-national companies'. there r companies where foreign ppl get less opportunities, of coz. i personally feel that it's more difficult for chinese or any non-french ppl to get promoted in a french company, and i guess it's mostly true for many continental countries. still, it's more about the host company, less to do with your own identity. back to the basics. it can be a good challenge striving to the top in a reputable foreign MNC. if you can do it, you surely have ppl's respect. but think about the Japanese and Koreans. they might be less international, with the impression of awkward english and typical east asia outlook. but nobody denies that they are formidable leaders in the international business. whether it brings more self-satisfaction to work for your own nation or foreign countries are purely personal. but space for personal growth is more a practical issue, and i agree with royix that there are still much exciting things to explore in china. lastly, my feeling about the stereotype -- being humble alone may not work, it may be perceived as being weak especially when dealing with more aggressive ppl. but having said that, many ppl, even the indians i've worked with, r not really that aggressive. maybe becoz they also understand that aggressiveness does not work for them too? 以下是引用royix在2008-3-1 19:33:00的发言：I should applaud to your insightful ideas, very interesting, and I have to say I agree to part of them But what you are saying is just revealing the true image of the reality. Nothing is wrong with the reality, however something is wrong with the mentality. I visited Fontainebleu last december, the marketing officer told me that he rarely knew any Chinese students in the school and he knew they were hard working. Man, I won't say it's just related to the language disadvantage, as most of Chinese students might think so. No offense at all, because I also experienced that and I'm Chinese too. You can shoose your way to be humble, but this world won't appreciate that. You can praise on Indians for their proactive and inteligence, but I'll say that only Indians will see those words of Bill gates as a piece of holly shit. Not us Chinese!!! Btw, I don't want to work for Americans at all because I want to build Chinese 'Sony' or 'Samsung'. But nothing is wrong with working in the West (if you see this as working for Americans, sorry, dude, still no comments), I will say I want to learn from them, because of the fact that business is well developped in the West in the last hundred years. Concerning your point of view of no Chinese in the top-US firms, why bothers? Why you see this as an indicator that we are not good enough? I bet you know ArcelorMittal which is an Indian-owned International steel company. If you are not comfortable with this fact, go to make your own Chinese brand known in this world dominated by not-Chnese people as you think. sinocheetah, What I'm arguing is not at all personal, it's national. I just don't want to lose the bloody character to be a proud Chinese who is fascinated with its own culture and people. If you don't have this passion in your heart, you can't deliver it to your surrounding. And what we carry on our shoulders is not just ourselfs when we are abroad. Sorry, i know it's too vague, but I just say out what I'm thinking. I do have this believe and i'm doing this since I'm abroad. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Font, because you do have close observation on this real world. But i still think that's not enough.
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