听说今年美国很多名牌学校学生都找不到intern！！

systemunknow

A few things regarding this matter.  As I stated before this topic has been talked to death on BW, some India top B School international student started the thread after the whole quota thing with H-1 visa.  Anyways, here are some FACTS I can post on this forum:

1) International student have a harder time finding intern or FT jobs than native student

2) Not all International student want to stay in US after graduation

3) IB, P/E, H fund were hot a while ago, but may not be so in the future.  (read the latest news regarding congress trying to pass laws on P/E, H fund)

4) Before spending your 1 million RMB on a US MBA school its best to figure out what you want to do afterwards, because you might NOT be able to find a very high salary job right away.

5) Top MBA school Does NOT = high salary or 100% job security.  That is true for international or native B school student alike.

Its great to dream big and hope for the best, but we must come back down to earth and view things as they are.  A MBA degree is a very big investment and like all investment some make good profit, while others not.  I will say that for most of the international student its best to get in the top 20 or 30 schools because of the expanse and payback ratio. However, don't give out false impression that just because you got in a M7 that you will find a high paying job right out of school.  It usually takes 3 to 5 years of working for the benefits of a MBA degree to kick in. And remember in US there is still that glass ceiling where foreign people are being discriminated against.  Foreign students can still make a good living in US,but don't expect to be treated the same as native or white students. This might sound harsh and it might not be true in all cases, but let's not fool ourselves here and be more realistic about the real world.

jianghu3366

看了全部讨论,感觉怪怪的,好象去读MBA的目的就是要好的工作好的收入,是不是太狭隘了?我想如果仅仅是为了工作和收入大可不必读什么MBA,赚钱不难,我周围最能赚钱没有几个是本科毕业的,关键是看自己是否是那块料.个人认为读MBA应当被看做自我提升的一个过程,自我提升有很多方面了,知识面,修养呀等等等等,如果大家读完MBA感觉自己比两年前提升了那就足够了,即使没有找到INTERN又能怎样,就代表他是LOSER吗?

十年前我本科毕业,那是还是分配的,我是我们系唯一没有找到工作的人,系里很多同学都去了国家部委之类的,很风光.当时因为狭隘和局限自己感到悲观,就连父母也很尴尬,每每问被及我的工作他们都不知如何回答.但十年下来,我证明了我比谁都不差.

感觉大家应当看宽些,我举自己的例子就是希望大家不要象十年前的我那样狭隘和局限.我要申请08的MBA了,不为别的,提升自己,为下个人生十年做准备.

gonghao

以下是引用natashaa在2007-7-17 14:03:00的发言：

连stanford, wharton之类都有好多中国学生找不到intern，实在是可怜。100多万的费用就这么个结果哦.......intern都找不到，工作就危险了

the negative conclusion should bases on the assumption that all of those students haven't any other positions and incentives to not to participate in the intern programme.

Someone want to comeback, someone have had the contract, or someone have decided to start their own business; lot of intresets have impact on the conclusion above.

So we can't say it is a nightmare even as the situation is true.

babypace

以下是引用systemunknow在2007-7-24 6:16:00的发言：

A few things regarding this matter.  As I stated before this topic has been talked to death on BW, some India top B School international student started the thread after the whole quota thing with H-1 visa.  Anyways, here are some FACTS I can post on this forum:

1) International student have a harder time finding intern or FT jobs than native student

2) Not all International student want to stay in US after graduation

3) IB, P/E, H fund were hot a while ago, but may not be so in the future.  (read the latest news regarding congress trying to pass laws on P/E, H fund)

4) Before spending your 1 million RMB on a US MBA school its best to figure out what you want to do afterwards, because you might NOT be able to find a very high salary job right away.

5) Top MBA school Does NOT = high salary or 100% job security.  That is true for international or native B school student alike.

Its great to dream big and hope for the best, but we must come back down to earth and view things as they are.  A MBA degree is a very big investment and like all investment some make good profit, while others not.  I will say that for most of the international student its best to get in the top 20 or 30 schools because of the expanse and payback ratio. However, don't give out false impression that just because you got in a M7 that you will find a high paying job right out of school.  It usually takes 3 to 5 years of working for the benefits of a MBA degree to kick in. And remember in US there is still that glass ceiling where foreign people are being discriminated against.  Foreign students can still make a good living in US,but don't expect to be treated the same as native or white students. This might sound harsh and it might not be true in all cases, but let's not fool ourselves here and be more realistic about the real world.

这些情况也不是今年才有的，除了第3条，不是一直就这样的嘛？

lz发布的“消息“，不如关心自己学校的就业，自己将来的发展更务实。去哪里读书，读什么样的书，每个人都有自己的选择。毕竟人生路是自己走的。至于今年北美的MBA是否难找工作，他们自会去努力，去实现自己的目标。没有任何地方的好工作是拱手送人的。

天天灿烂

intern到是其次，现在的问题是H1B签证，身份问题无法解决，一切都白费。四大已经减少招国际学生。趋势很不乐观。

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=39&ID=259881&page=1

当然如果你觉得回国发展更好那另当别论，但是对于真的想留美发展的人而言，现在的确很尴尬。

systemunknow

talk to me again in a few month, because I believe you'll see a new bill coming out soon... It will increase the H1 visa quota to the level before 9/11 which is around 120k and 40k for Master degree+ (not 100% sure about the numbers, but its close)  and the new bill will put people with higher degree ahead of people with family connection when comes to immigration.  So everything just may turn out okay after all.....  Again this is only a draft bill which haven't even been introduced to the congress yet.  Ask your local immigration lawyer for more detail. 

QYT

看了全部讨论,感觉怪怪的,好象去读MBA的目的就是要好的工作好的收入,是不是太狭隘了?我想如果仅仅是为了工作和收入大可不必读什么MBA,赚钱不难,我周围最能赚钱没有几个是本科毕业的,关键是看自己是否是那块料.个人认为读MBA应当被看做自我提升的一个过程,自我提升有很多方面了,知识面,修养呀等等等等,如果大家读完MBA感觉自己比两年前提升了那就足够了,即使没有找到INTERN又能怎样,就代表他是LOSER吗?

十年前我本科毕业,那是还是分配的,我是我们系唯一没有找到工作的人,系里很多同学都去了国家部委之类的,很风光.当时因为狭隘和局限自己感到悲观,就连父母也很尴尬,每每问被及我的工作他们都不知如何回答.但十年下来,我证明了我比谁都不差.

感觉大家应当看宽些,我举自己的例子就是希望大家不要象十年前的我那样狭隘和局限.我要申请08的MBA了,不为别的,提升自己,为下个人生十年做准备.

这位说得好！人生就怕格局小

Nomoredream

以下是引用jianghu3366在2007-7-24 12:51:00的发言：

看了全部讨论,感觉怪怪的,好象去读MBA的目的就是要好的工作好的收入,是不是太狭隘了?我想如果仅仅是为了工作和收入大可不必读什么MBA,赚钱不难,我周围最能赚钱没有几个是本科毕业的,关键是看自己是否是那块料.个人认为读MBA应当被看做自我提升的一个过程,自我提升有很多方面了,知识面,修养呀等等等等,如果大家读完MBA感觉自己比两年前提升了那就足够了,即使没有找到INTERN又能怎样,就代表他是LOSER吗?

十年前我本科毕业,那是还是分配的,我是我们系唯一没有找到工作的人,系里很多同学都去了国家部委之类的,很风光.当时因为狭隘和局限自己感到悲观,就连父母也很尴尬,每每问被及我的工作他们都不知如何回答.但十年下来,我证明了我比谁都不差.

感觉大家应当看宽些,我举自己的例子就是希望大家不要象十年前的我那样狭隘和局限.我要申请08的MBA了,不为别的,提升自己,为下个人生十年做准备.

再过十年呢，也许又掉了个呢。其实比来必去，啥意思。

shouldwetalk

H1B的事情大家不用太担心。别的不说，想想看光微软一家每年要招多少中国人，里面又有多少中国人在工作。就不提engineering，MBA也是很多的。还有很多其他大企业比如戴尔等等，都很需要国际学生。这些大企业对国会的影响力应该不用多说了吧。

jianghu3366

以下是引用jianghu3366在2007-7-24 12:51:00的发言：

看了全部讨论,感觉怪怪的,好象去读MBA的目的就是要好的工作好的收入,是不是太狭隘了?我想如果仅仅是为了工作和收入大可不必读什么MBA,赚钱不难,我周围最能赚钱没有几个是本科毕业的,关键是看自己是否是那块料.个人认为读MBA应当被看做自我提升的一个过程,自我提升有很多方面了,知识面,修养呀等等等等,如果大家读完MBA感觉自己比两年前提升了那就足够了,即使没有找到INTERN又能怎样,就代表他是LOSER吗?

十年前我本科毕业,那是还是分配的,我是我们系唯一没有找到工作的人,系里很多同学都去了国家部委之类的,很风光.当时因为狭隘和局限自己感到悲观,就连父母也很尴尬,每每问被及我的工作他们都不知如何回答.但十年下来,我证明了我比谁都不差.

感觉大家应当看宽些,我举自己的例子就是希望大家不要象十年前的我那样狭隘和局限.我要申请08的MBA了,不为别的,提升自己,为下个人生十年做准备.

再过十年呢，也许又掉了个呢。其实比来必去，啥意思。

呵呵完全同意,没有意思,过得开心真实是最重要的,再说就扯远了.