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21#
发表于 2006-8-14 04:38:00 | 只看该作者

can you tell me wherethe gemj的解释 is ?

22#
发表于 2006-9-22 12:03:00 | 只看该作者

楼上的,在第一页的帖子

同意,去掉should还是不对,因为

 “-ING分词短语作定语:强调动作的多次性、重复性、客观性,无明确的时间概念;
            

定语从句作:强调动作的一次性,强调具体时间,具体行为。
            

———摘自《GMAT语法全解》(白勇)103
            

OG里面很多关于这个点的例子了,不再赘述。

23#
发表于 2006-9-22 17:52:00 | 只看该作者
我觉得demanding用的也不好,可是OG没有提。。demanding表示的是强调一个持续性状态,但是这里customer后面应该跟的是解释说明。 大家认为呢?
24#
发表于 2006-12-29 16:26:00 | 只看该作者

agree!

25#
发表于 2007-3-3 01:55:00 | 只看该作者
为什么不选C. OG的解释是 consumers and their demand is redundant. Why?
26#
发表于 2008-7-14 22:19:00 | 只看该作者
请问,it这里指代什么?
27#
发表于 2008-8-10 12:27:00 | 只看该作者

有关分词、定从、介词短语修饰问题的疑惑?

以下是引用liuyang1984在2006-9-22 12:03:00的发言:

楼上的,在第一页的帖子

同意,去掉should还是不对,因为

 “-ING分词短语作定语:强调动作的多次性、重复性、客观性,无明确的时间概念;
   

定语从句作:强调动作的一次性,强调具体时间,具体行为。
   

———摘自《GMAT语法全解》(白勇)103
   

OG里面很多关于这个点的例子了,不再赘述。

Dear,有关语法书里关于介词短语、定从和分词修饰的概念我自己有所掌握。

但是具体到这个题目,如果是变换为以下3种形式,可否请楼主翻译并解释具体差异?

感激不尽!!!

体会区别: 三个表示限制修饰的形式

1.       thousands of irate consumers demanding that

2.       thousands of irate consumers with the demand that

3.       thousands of irate consumers who demanded that

 

28#
发表于 2009-6-6 19:17:00 | 只看该作者

总结一下

In one of  ——OG11

Choice D——OG10

对比OG10OG11这道题有以下几点要注意——自己的补充

55  In one of the most stunning reversals in the history of marketingthe Coca-Cola company in July 1985 yielded to thousands of irate consumers demanding that it should bring back the original Coke formula.

(A)  demanding that it should

(B)  demanding it to

(C)  and their demand to

(D)  who demanded that it

(E)  who demanded it to

Verb form + Grammatical construction

The use of the subjunctive is relatively infrequent in Englishthis sentence is an instance when it must be used.
    
When a that clause follows a verb such as ask, recommend
requestor demand, the subjunctive (formed from the base form of the verbsuch as be or bring) is used in the clauseThusthe correct use of the subjunctive here is consumers who demanded that it bring....

A  The construction requires the subjunctivethe use of should is incorrect

B  Demanding it to bring is not a grammatically correct construction

C  Using both consumers and their demand is redundant

D  CorrectIn this sentencethe subjunctive bring correctly follows demanded that it

E  Demanded it to bring is not a grammatically correct construction

The correct answer is D

OG10TH的解释——Choice D, the best answer, uses the grammatically correct expression demanded that it bring back, in which demanded that it is followed by the subjunctive verb bring. Choice A incorrectly uses should bring rather than bring: demanding that already conveys the idea of "should," and at any rate a modal auxiliary verb, such as should or must, cannot gram­matically follow the expression demanded that. Similarly, B and E use the ungrammatical expression demanding/demanded it to. In C, the expression yielded to... customers and their demand to bring... unnecessarily states that the company yielded to the customers as well as to their demand. This expression also fails to specify that the company is expected to bring back the original formula.

对比OG10OG11这道题有以下几点要注意的:

1, yield to  demand [n]

2, demand [v]

3, demanding & who demanded 现在分词作定语
4, deamnd
等一系列词后面的虚拟语气

1, yield (up) sth to sb; In C, the expression yielded to... customers and their demand to bring... unnecessarily states that the company yielded to the customers as well as to their demand. C  Using both consumers and their demand is redundant因为consumer and the demand 在逻辑上是一回事。This expression also fails to specify that the company is expected to bring back the original formula.因为consumer demanded company company is expected by customers 才是最终点明the stunning reversals 的关键。

2demand 作动词三种用法:demand sth

                                                                to do sth

                                                                that sb (should) do sth

没有BE中的
    demand sb to do sth.

3, A.B中的demanding 属于非谓语动词中的现在分词作在名词后面做定语。作用相当于定语从句,还原成定语从句时,谓语动词有两种时态:一般现在时和现在进行时。就是说如果此处demanding 是成立是则要么可以还原成consumers who demand 要么可以还原成consumers who is demanding. 但是主句中的时间状语July 1985 和谓语动词yield to 都说明这个地方如果用定语从句应该用一般过去时who demanded.所以A.B不成立。

4,如果说OG10还没有点明这道题的主考点的话,其实在OG11中已经说的很明确了。The use of the subjunctive is relatively infrequent in Englishthis sentence is an instance when it must be used. When a that clause follows a verb such as ask, recommendrequestor demand, the subjunctive (formed from the base form of the verbsuch as be or bring) is used in the clause我们最不能理解的是,高中英语中说“should”在这里是可要可不要的。但是在美国人的用法里面一般是省略“should”的。如果还不能接受,OG10 给出的美国人的理解demanding that already conveys the idea of "should," and at any rate a modal auxiliary verb, such as should or must, cannot gram­matically follow the expression demanded that.即情态动词的已经包含在上述一系列词语的义素中了,如果再使用就重复了。这一点张道真实用英语语法中10.3.1-3)也给出了说明。扩张一下这一类词包括:suggest demand insist ask advise propose urge vote request command desire move order recommend require decree intend pertition
      


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29#
发表于 2010-10-27 09:40:13 | 只看该作者
弱问一句~这里的it指代什么啊?是coca-cola company吗?
30#
发表于 2011-4-17 21:48:35 | 只看该作者
引用27楼,A.B中的demanding 属于非谓语动词中的现在分词作在名词后面做定语。作用相当于定语从句,还原成定语从句时,谓语动词有两种时态:一般现在时和现在进行时。就是说如果此处demanding 是成立是则要么可以还原成consumers who demand 要么可以还原成consumers who is demanding. 但是主句中的时间状语July 1985 和谓语动词yield to 都说明这个地方如果用定语从句应该用一般过去时who demanded.所以A.B不成立。


这个解释有些误导,demanding 本身是没有错的,只是容易引起歧义——即不知道demanding的主语是the Coca-Cola company还是consumers,所以改为从句会更清楚一些。

从语法上,虚拟语气用should是没有问题的,至少不能算错,只是GMAT讲求concise的原则,所以能不用最好不用。
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