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goingtoUS

各位CDer，

本人最近在烦恼一件事情，敬请各位出出主意：

本人属于大陆外派到港工作的人士，马上要去一间top 10的商学院了。由于是外派，住房是由公司帮忙找的，也就是说现在的住房是以公司的名字和房东签的，时间从05年底开始。

在去年9月份的时候，公司指派的中介公司问我说，房子需要续约了，问我要续多久，我当时是已经开始准备商学院申请了，但是没有多少把握申请到自己满意的商学院，所以就让中介公司帮我续一年的，因为我知道香港的房子都是第一年fix，第二年flexible的。后来，中介公司也没有把房屋的合同给我看过（因为租户是用公司的名字的）。

就这样，我在第一轮被录取以后，由于要做background verification就和HR讲了我7月准备离职的事情。结果HR去查房屋合同，发现房子是fixed term。如果7月中旬离职，公司要赔给房东剩下租期的所有房租，折合美金约8000元。然后，HR跟我说，根据expatriate policy，公司要求我来承担这笔费用。但是，在我接受这个外派assignment letter的里面的附件，并没有给我expatriate policy。我现在查了一下，才发现并不是在housing那里有写，而是在early terminiation of employment里面写到: to repay the Company all amounts withheld from a deposit for the apartment.

我觉得自己有疏忽的地方，但是公司也没有尽到告知的义务。至少，如果我知道第二年也是fixed term的，我肯定不会随便让他们帮我租1年的。而且现在，我开始问HR，能不能让其他外派的同事replace这个apartment, 结果被告知因为budget太高，不适合。

由于本人贷款读书，而且家人有重病，非常困难，实在无力负担这笔可以供我在美国租8个月租金的费用。我现在的问题是：

1）如果我死活不给，对我在学校的学习，特别是将来的找工作会否有影响，我非常担心今后internship和full-time的公司在调查我过去的工作背景的时候，HR会给不利的回答；(学校的背景调查已经完成）

2）我可不可以认为这个事件是一个民事纠纷？而不是一个integrity的问题呢？我担心事后公司写信去我学校，说我有integrity的问题。

3）如果是你，你会如何处理这件事。

注：expatriate assignment letter里面写清楚了，任何纠纷适应中华人民共和国法律，而不是香港法。

yaoyao99

Have you tried looking for someone who can sublet the apartment?

goingtoUS

The tenant name is my company, therefore, to waive the penalty, only the company's staff can move in to take over the apart. If I refer other non-company person to take over, penalty can be negociable, but can not guarantee the waive.

I have tried many ways, but HR insists on finding a staff with same grade with me and exactly same tenor. but it's very hard to search for such a expatriate staff.

yaoyao99

At least you can collect rent from the person and use that to pay the company back?

goingtoUS

It could be a solution. I will consider. Thanks very much.

However, if there is potential problem between the sublease tenant and the landlord company, how can i handle since I am in the States, and I have to bear all the risk arising from that sublease tenant. Therefore, it will bring contingent problem.

I decide to talk with my head to discuss. Just want to know from here the consequences of the worst scenario

yaoyao99

以下是引用goingtoUS在2007-5-24 10:01:00的发言：

就这样，我在第一轮被录取以后，由于要做background verification就和HR讲了我7月准备离职的事情。结果HR去查房屋合同，发现房子是fixed term。如果7月中旬离职，公司要赔给房东剩下租期的所有房租，折合美金约8000元。然后，HR跟我说，根据expatriate policy，公司要求我来承担这笔费用。但是，在我接受这个外派assignment letter的里面的附件，并没有给我expatriate policy。我现在查了一下，才发现并不是在housing那里有写，而是在early terminiation of employment里面写到: to repay the Company all amounts withheld from a deposit for the apartment.

我觉得自己有疏忽的地方，但是公司也没有尽到告知的义务。至少，如果我知道第二年也是fixed term的，我肯定不会随便让他们帮我租1年的。而且现在，我开始问HR，能不能让其他外派的同事replace这个apartment, 结果被告知因为budget太高，不适合。

由于本人贷款读书，而且家人有重病，非常困难，实在无力负担这笔可以供我在美国租8个月租金的费用。我现在的问题是：

1）如果我死活不给，对我在学校的学习，特别是将来的找工作会否有影响，我非常担心今后internship和full-time的公司在调查我过去的工作背景的时候，HR会给不利的回答；(学校的背景调查已经完成）

2）我可不可以认为这个事件是一个民事纠纷？而不是一个integrity的问题呢？我担心事后公司写信去我学校，说我有integrity的问题。

Ok, let's assume worst case scenario.  You are stuck with the fine.

1. If you did get admissions for R1, you have had plenty of time to research and negotiate with the company.  You're not putting yourself in a good position playing hardball now.  I would be grateful for anything they offer at this point.

2. It's your fault for not checking the paper ahead of time and getting a written confirmation about what exactly you signed off on (fixed term rental).  It's not the company's responsibility to make sure that you have taken the time to read all your papers and I'm sure they would have been made available to you if you asked.

3. You have no control over how someone else will view this issue and who could get ahold of the information.  It's a fair game once you refuse to abide an agreement between you and your employer. 

4. If you could afford to take out a 100,000+ loan, someone else could have a very hard time understanding why you choose to run from a $8000 penalty.

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-5-24 12:00:07编辑过]

goingtoUS

You are partially right.

Actually, I am spending time on searching for a replacement myself duirng last 2 months, and even sent tons of emails via my friends to search for a replacement outside my company. On the contrary, HR commits to actively work on this case. But actually they did not do anything.

I did not sign anything on any document. The contract was signed between my company and the landlord through the leasing agent. In addition, the leasing agent even did not pass any documents for me to review prior to the signature. I think it's the default of my company. In this situation, I dont think my company is free of any responsibility.

Therefore, I want to maintain my reputation by solving the problem in a professional way, even if at the last minute, I have to bear the total cost. However, I really have to plan some money for my trip to the States prior to get the loan as well as take care of my family member who has to stay in hospital for the rest of her life.

kkgmat

Don't do anything that may jeopardize your future career.

yaoyao99

以下是引用goingtoUS在2007-5-24 12:09:00的发言：

You are partially right.

Actually, I am spending time on searching for a replacement myself duirng last 2 months, and even sent tons of emails via my friends to search for a replacement outside my company. On the contrary, HR commits to actively work on this case. But actually they did not do anything.

I did not sign anything on any document. The contract was signed between my company and the landlord through the leasing agent. In addition, the leasing agent even did not pass any documents for me to review prior to the signature. I think it's the default of my company. In this situation, I dont think my company is free of any responsibility.

Therefore, I want to maintain my reputation by solving the problem in a professional way, even if at the last minute, I have to bear the total cost. However, I really have to plan some money for my trip to the States prior to get the loan as well as take care of my family member who has to stay in hospital for the rest of her life.

Did you sign the paper with the early termination terms?

Have you tried communicating this extraneous circumstance with the school and see if you could defer for a year (not to take care of the rent but to take care of your family member and help everyone else with the transition) or get more money from your loan?

苞米

依据合同法的有关规定，你违约解除合同，你承担违约造成的责任，你公司有权向你提出赔偿，同时你公司负有补救的义务。也就是说，你公司在知悉你违约之后，有义务履行REASONALBE EFFORT使损失减少到最小。公司说“派的同事replace这个apartment, 结果被告知因为budget太高，不适合”，你可以提出（同时自己取证）自己出钱弥补所谓“太高”的市场差价，如果被公司断然拒绝，则明显公司没有尽到补救义务（有反证除外）。这样你至多只须付出一部分。

“to repay the Company all amounts withheld from a deposit for the apartment.”此条无法分析，请列出具体数额以及比例。
保留所有往来信件以及证据，证明你的态度和EFFORT。将来BACK GROUND CHECK 一旦出现争议，一般会给你解释机会，你可将所有保存证据提交律师，并由律师向你公司出具律师函，要求其承当胡说八道的法律责任。

最后来个损招儿，工作这么多年怎么也能存点钱了，拿出1，2万块（看自己的承受能力）跑到公证处公证一下，就说是给你和公司的纠纷准备的FUND（这钱是一时半会儿不能动了），然后就对你公司来个死猪不怕开水烫，抓住芝麻大的理儿不放，爱咋咋地。以后谁提起来先检公司的不是说，然后把这个公证拿出来证明你的良心大大地好。挺到毕业，找着工作了，这钱就省下拉。

最终换不还钱是一回事儿，做事的姿态和方法是另一回事儿。