LBS vs INSEAD, which is better?

重拳出击

以下是引用nnm在2007-3-21 11:41:00的发言：

Dear 重拳出击

You have posted it a million times. Don't you feel a bit fed up?

We all know LBS is good at finance, but getting IB offers not a evidence as convincing as you might think it is.

And, if you like "talk in data", that's fine, here you go:

The main numbers I was looking at (and care about):

Number of hires Insead/LBS:

McK: 74/16
BCG: 40/2
Bain: 30/2

When you consider that LBS is roughly 1/3 the size of Insead, its still not even close. Also, the employment reports show that about 1/3 of Insead students go into MC and 1/4 of LBS students go into MC.

I think the Insead numbers reflect 05 recruiting but are consistent with trends over the years. I have seen figures that show Insead sending as many as 90-100 to McK. The LBS numbers are for 2006. The question is, why such great disparity given that both schools enjoy a similar reputation? Do students at LBS have significantly less interest in these jobs or are they getting fewer offers?

You might wanna say " ha, that's MC, not IB".

Right, I 100% agree with you. But where is your point?

People here more care about the job placement for Chinese students. That is why I just publish the chinse student cases from LBS.

Whatever MC or IB, let's talk about Chinese people cases.

Any comments?

Objectively speaking, LBS is located in London, one of the worldwide financial center. What does that mean? It means LBS is taking the huge advantages than Insead, which is enjoying the nice view in a small town in France.

I don't care about which one is really better. Just feel confused why some people here judge a school just based on their feelings

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-3-21 21:38:24编辑过]

inseadsh

Dear upstairs, location is just one thing we should take into consideration when selecting a school.

By the way, INSEAD has two campuses, leave alone its exchange program with Wharton.

站在水的中央

看大家的争论很好玩。lbs和insead都是牛校啦，至于到底哪个好，要看自己的情况而定。我感觉主要从以下几个方面考虑：

1.项目长度：念商学院，很多人都想进ib,那有没有summer intern的机会就尤其重要。一般来说一年的项目，入学后两三周就得开始找full-time的工作。而两年的项目相对来说轻松一些，即使summer intern不理想或者没有拿到full-time offer，还有一年的时间可以继续找。而且到那个时候基本上已经变成面试“油子”，张嘴就能喷了。

2.校友networking资源。就像前面有人说的，有的学校进咨询的多，有的进ib的多，根据你的发展方向，你可以选择自己合适的学校。

3.和你类似背景和经验的前人的就业状况，他们大多去了HK还是在欧洲，又或者回内地；从事的是什么样的工作，再结合你自己的情况（当然，我想要去这些biz school的人自然觉得I'm much better than the others,不过这个自信最好是建立在实际的基础上）

此外，有关就业我们中国学生真是应该要参考一下以往中国学生的情况。

为了不被臭鸡蛋砸死，先申明一下，本人现在就在lbs,上面那个list里面在伦敦的校友我基本上都见过了，其实那个数据不100%准确的。这一届，我们mif18个中国同学，其实大家都挺优秀的，而且我们还算是可以赶上好市场的尾巴，但是对于中国的mif来说，要在伦敦找front office（不管是global markets还是ibd，不过以前的校友现在在伦敦的pe做deal或者在hedge fund,buyside做research的牛人倒是有）的工作真的不是那么容易的。而且mif06的现在在lehman的校友还跟我说过，现已离开的career service某“大拿”AD对06年亚洲的MIF说过这么一句话“We are not here to help you Asian students”（结果自然是被投诉，但是并没有改变事实）。

我想建议一点，看各个学校的employment report的时候，注意一下到底多少percent的人回复了这个调查。再想想自己，如果你是毕业生，你的欧洲同学都拿到GBP60-100k，你的薪水是55K，你会往调查表上写什么数字。

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-3-21 23:20:56编辑过]

站在水的中央

以下是引用icbcbj在2007-3-2 15:21:00的发言：

what is your point?

Different people view networking differently, hahaha...

david2007

横向比较的话，最好还是看中国人特别是大陆同学最后的工作去向。

重拳出机，请问你说的15个人里哪几个是大陆同学？还有这些人里有多少之前就是做IB的？

nnm和inseadsh，你们有没有中国特别是大陆学生这两年的就业情况，多少进了PE/VC/HF，多少进了IB，多少进了管理咨询，各在哪里工作？如果光看INSEAD总体的就业话，并不是很有说服力。也希望版主和INSEAD的学长能够分享一下信息。

lardin

how much do those MIF people make anyway?  USD90k in HK? 

重拳出击

以下是引用lardin在2007-3-22 4:13:00的发言：
how much do those MIF people make anyway?  USD90k in HK? 

Total package

>= 150k USD

重拳出击

以下是引用david2007在2007-3-22 2:42:00的发言：

横向比较的话，最好还是看中国人特别是大陆同学最后的工作去向。

重拳出机，请问你说的15个人里哪几个是大陆同学？还有这些人里有多少之前就是做IB的？

nnm和inseadsh，你们有没有中国特别是大陆学生这两年的就业情况，多少进了PE/VC/HF，多少进了IB，多少进了管理咨询，各在哪里工作？如果光看INSEAD总体的就业话，并不是很有说服力。也希望版主和INSEAD的学长能够分享一下信息。

only 2 students from HK

only 1 in IB  firm before, but in Finance department, not IBD

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-3-22 10:24:39编辑过]

george_hcl

Finance is not all of the world. However, MC is also not all of the world. 为什么我们中国学生都只注重这两个行业呢？ 这两个行业是赚钱多，但是，so what? 人生有很多更重要的东西还不仅仅是赚钱。如果有一个毕业的学生没有找到工作，自己去做entrepreneur,他一样值得敬佩。 为别人打工仅仅是一份工作而已，何必如此计较？就算进了goldman,每天只睡三个小时，转20w usd/year,你就很开心吗?......

btw, Master in finance 和 mba 根本没有可比性马 

david2007

不好意思，我之前的问题不够全面。请问各位驳斥重拳的朋友，你们有没有INSEAD中国特别是大陆学生这两年的就业情况，多少进了PE/VC/HF，多少进了IB，多少进了管理咨询，多少进了行业，多少自己开公司，各在哪里工作，平均收入多少？如果光看INSEAD总体的就业话，并不是很有说服力。也希望版主和INSEAD的学长能够分享一下信息。