life balance: 有没有在商学院里解决了终身大事的啊？

gre0426

以下是引用highflyer在2006-8-9 12:30:00的发言：

support comment. I just wonder what's the point to be part of the mainstream of another society. Did It look better or sth. Understanding another culture or having the ability to working with people from various background are sufficient and good enough.   

I agree with cfc and higherflyer that we Chinese in American do not have to painstakingly chase the so called mainstream as long as we can find our right position in the society. After all, American way means diversity, not homogeneity, and many other ethnic minorities such as Indians and Latin Americans also maintain their own unique social circle while actively participating in American social life.

That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.

I don't know if you guys have watched the movie "Philadelphia", a fine movie. In one scene, Tom Hanks sits in a sauna with his seniors of the law firm, when the seniors are uttering some fairly snide remarks on homosexuals. Tom Hanks is homosexual, and his face pales on hearing the comments (great acting by Hanks.)

This scene makes me very uncomfortable. Imagine that we have to sit with some executives, who happen to have some snide remarks on China, not on homosexuals. They can actually be doing this quite innocently, not necessarily out of discrimination. How to deal with such an imaginary situation? As an engineer, I do have a relatively good handle on such situation because I don't really care that much about building relationship with strangers. For MBAs, the story might be different.

I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.

With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.

Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But, please, let's all be calm and objective.

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天香国猪

以下是引用gre0426在2006-8-10 7:08:00的发言：

I agree with cfc and higherflyer that we Chinese in American do not have to painstakingly chase the so called mainstream as long as we can find our right position in the society. After all, American way means diversity, not homogeneity, and many other ethnic minorities such as Indians and Latin Americans also maintain their own unique social circle while actively participating in American social life.

That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.

I don't know if you guys have watched the movie "Philadelphia", a fine movie. In one scene, Tom Hanks sits in a sauna with his seniors of the law firm, when the seniors are uttering some fairly snide remarks on homosexuals. Tom Hanks is homosexual, and his face pales on hearing the comments (great acting by Hanks.)

This scene makes me very uncomfortable. Imagine that we have to sit with some executives, who happen to have some snide remarks on China, not on homosexuals. They can actually be doing this quite innocently, not necessarily out of discrimination. How to deal with such an imaginary situation? As an engineer, I do have a relatively good handle on such situation because I don't really care that much about building relationship with strangers. For MBAs, the story might be different.

I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.

With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.

Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But, please, let's all be calm and objective.

So Deep.

zxsteven

以下是引用gre0426在2006-8-10 7:08:00的发言：

That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.

I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.

With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.

This is the best post I have ever seen in this forum. After living in this "diversified"and "free"country for six years, I feel the same way as you.

gonghao

That's a paradox situation,in China lots of people keen to the higher education in the most famous business school in US,the most developed country in this world.And on the other hand,those, who live in the dreampalce not matter it is carlifornia , Philadelphia or somewhere else,put their dreams back to the motherland ,china,the biggest developing country in this world.Maybe that's the fate or the cycle by which make this world set well.Who knows...

In regard to personal point of view,from a simple angle of the truth,we can see that the live longth in some large extent is quite coordinate.We have about 30,000 days in our whole life,just put your focus on something that is much positive.What we want to do is to make yourself happier ,to dirve your family more harmony,to find your real lover,to have your career more successful,and to realized your dreams as many as you can.God is fair,you should treat yourself fairly as well.

Cultre discrepency is inevitable,Adapt to that,and take it easy.Ambitous sometimes drives you success,sometimes draw you back down.If you just wanna to be yourself ,you will have less cloud in your mind and meanwhile have some sunshine.As somebody said ,attitude sometimes is everything.

gre0426

Gonghao,

You have a good point -- whenever possible, one should always try to be one's self and focus on things that are positive, or controllable, for that matter. I'm certainly all for such principle.

However, sometimes people inevitably find that what they have today is not what they really want, and the reasons can be diverse. It is true that many people in China are working hard to come to US, while some of those who have already lived in US for a while are thinking about going back. In my opinion, people are driven not only by opportunity and money, but also by dreams of living a fuller and richer life. Therefore, I personallly do not see much paradoxical nature in all these. After all, a person who has lived significant portion of his life in both US and China tends to a more well-rounded one, although not necessarily a happier one if he has too much dreams. But isn't dream that we are all chasing, as this site's name suggest?

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gonghao

Of course gre046,

We show our respects to the man who chase his own dream and never give up.It represent an attitude to life,although some one do not think like that and they prefer it to lucky and opprotunity .you know,however,what you really love ,and then congratulations,you have a key to life .Dream seems to a clockwise cycle that today is here tomorrow is there.Today you find a wife in B-school,and that day you find that was a fault or it was the most correct choice you have ever made.So that's why in society that appears one pharse:follow your heart.

Yes,if you can folloe your heart,you will be happier and richer,not only in mental but also in asset.And as we all know ,willing is priceless ,unlike asset.So finding out your heart and activated it is the most important way to paly a better role in your life . 

tulipmontreal

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祝你早日找到你的理想中人！

Swinerton

以下是引用zxsteven在2006-8-10 9:12:00的发言：

This is the best post I have ever seen in this forum. After living in this "diversified"and "free"country for six years, I feel the same way as you.

true, true

I have been in the states for 6 years too. Same feeling.

cfc

Today we ran a beverage creation and marketing competition. Once again I contributed little to my team, and that was the case for most chinese as far as I know. But I'm confident that I would play at least an active role in analytical projects. These things are good opportunities to find your strength and weakness.

zx_nju

冒泡！

LZ真幽默！