质疑gwd-30-29答案

titatita

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Q29:

Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the balloon procedure by itself.

 

 

 

1. more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than
2. more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is
3. that more research was needed to determine whether balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than
4. that more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was any better for heart attack patients than
5. that more research was needed for determining that balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is or is not any better for heart attack patients than is

   Answer: B

MINE:A

A.对.其实agree that后面整个是agree得内容:研究很重要,但更多得研究需要来决定….如果是agree that …but that反而不合理了.用法类似与og28

28. The rise in the Commerce Department's index of leading economic indicators suggest that the economy should continue its expansion into the coming months. but that the mixed performance of the index's indi­vidual components indicates that economic growth will proceed at a more moderate pace than in the first quarter of this year.

(A)  suggest that the economy should continue its expansion into the coming months, but that

(B)  suggest that the economy is to continue expansion in the coming months, but

(C)  suggests that the economy will continue its expanding in the coming months, but that

(D)  suggests that the economy is continuing to expand
                        into the coming months, but that

(E)   suggests that the economy will continue to expand
                        in the coming months, but

In choices A and B, the verb suggest does not agree with its singular subject, rise. In context, the phrase into the coming months in A and D is not idiomatic; in the coming months is preferable. In A, C, and D, the that appearing after but creates a subordinate clause where an independent clause is needed for the new subject, mixed performance. Choice E includes the correct verb form, suggests, eliminates that, and properly employs the future tense, will continue to expand. That this tense is called for is indicated both by the future time to which the coming months refers and by the parallel verb form will proceed in the nonunderlined part of the sentence. Choice E is best.

B. need for错,whether or not:redundant , 时态:research was ……whether….is错

C时态:research was ……that….is错

D.need for错;

E时态:research was ……that….is错

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-8-4 11:27:00编辑过]

zhaoyak7

因为有BUT,前面有AGREE,所以CDE排除.偶觉得A的意思不对,determine that是认定某事、、、、比如“偶认定你是个好人”，这里意思显然是more research 是否对作出决定（这个决定是whether or not 以后的一串东东）有必要，而不是认定

供参考

titatita

下面是longman对determine得解释.在第一条establish得意思中是可以用determine that得,进一步证明了a得正确

de‧ter‧mine
            W1 [transitive]

1
                to find out the facts about something [= establish]:
        

Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of the fire.

determine how/what/who etc
            

The aim of the inquiry was to determine what had caused the accident.

determine that
                

Experts have determined that the signature was forged.

2
            if something determines something else, it directly influences or decides it:

The amount of available water determines the number of houses that can be built.

The age of a wine is a
                    determining factor
                as to how it tastes.

determine how/whether/what etc
            

How hard the swimmers work now will determine how they perform in the Olympics.

3
            to officially decide something:

The date of the court case has not yet been determined.

determine how/what/who etc
            

The tests will help the doctors determine what treatment to use.

4
            determine to do something
            formal
            to decide to do something:

We determined to leave at once.

zhaoyak7

determine that
        

Experts have determined that the signature was forged.

你的这个HIGHLIGHT正好加强了偶的解释，这句话只能解释为专家认定这个签名是伪造的，而绝不理解为专家决定这个签名是伪造的，如果你根据前面的辞条解释，翻译成肯定也行，但determine +that基本意思是，通过事实作出判断，而不是下决心（也许这样说更清楚一些）

不知为什么把你的亮条拷过来之后就去不掉了。 

titatita

以下是引用zhaoyak7在2006-8-7 0:30:00的发言：
determine that
  

Experts have determined that the signature was forged.

你的这个HIGHLIGHT正好加强了偶的解释，这句话只能解释为专家认定这个签名是伪造的，而绝不理解为专家决定这个签名是伪造的，如果你根据前面的辞条解释，翻译成肯定也行，但determine +that基本意思是，通过事实作出判断，而不是下决心（也许这样说更清楚一些）

不知为什么把你的亮条拷过来之后就去不掉了。 

同学:首先,其他选项都有致命错误.

其次:

Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the balloon procedure by itself.

本句的意思就是

研究者同意对心脏病人的新治疗方法很重要,但是更多的研究是需要的来认定ballonn angioplasty with ultrasound对于心脏病患者来说是或不是比balloon procedure本身更好.

是通过更过研究来认定,判断,而不是说通过更多研究来决定

本来也不能说是下定决心的意思啊

in GMAT

choice A represent the oringinal meaning of the sentence.

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-8-7 7:58:45编辑过]

dori0214

首先我感到你用og-28的例子不好

这题不用that是因为 两句子的并列层次是在主句层次 并不是从句的并列

与这一题不一样

dori0214

首先 whether or not 全部排除

其次 A precede B ，没有任何理由用B is preceded with A

至于时态，只要意思正确，不用排除;that的取舍也由我上面一帖说了

be needed for为什么错呢?有依据么？如果有的话决定选c，否则就要抉择了，因为e最后的is比没有好 

zhaoyak7

Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the balloon procedure by itself. 

1. more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than
           
2. more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is

其实主要争论是在A，B上。你理解的句子原意没有错，即：研究者同意对心脏病人的新治疗方法很重要,但是更多的研究是需要的来认定ballonn angioplasty with ultrasound对于心脏病患者来说是或不是比balloon procedure本身更好。但A的表述有问题。

一是在GMAT中引导名词性从句（这里不是宾语从句）都用whether或者what，其它如，that，if 或was or was not都是明显的错误选项，这在OG中应该至少有两三道题，偶现在具体想不起来了。当然 whether后面没有 or not 更简洁了，但这是个effectiveness的问题，选项都是比较出来的嘛。

二是从句和时态问题，偶记得名词性的谓语动词都是whether.....is，没有见到whether...后面跟过去时的，这个OG中也有例子。而且从另外一个方面考虑，如果你认为A对，那就认为A是宾语从句了，就算A是宾语从句，那么determine that 后面也要跟动词原形，至少是一般现在时，determine that +过去时（was）是不对的。

三是B更对称，than后面有助动词is 补出。助动词补出的原则是，如果没有补错的话，补出就比没有补要好。这里补出is 后，和前面的is 正好对称，后面by itself是单数，补出是正确的，这一点B优于A。

to be discussed

dori0214

照楼上这么解释 whether or not 那就最好了，选b有充分的理由了

zhaoyak7

偶会这样选的，因为A和B其它没什么可比较的了。

刚找到一个whether 的用法，OG10-87（OG11—28）在这个题中，B就比C好，C不对称而且明显地wordy

87. Beyond the immediate cash flow crisis that the museum faces, its survival depends on if it can broaden its membership and leave its cramped quarters for a site where it can store and exhibit its more than 12,000 artifacts.
                

(A) if it can broaden its membership and leave
                

(B) whether it can broaden its membership and leave
                

(C) whether or not it has the capability to broaden its membership and can leave
                

(D) its ability for broadening its membership
                and leaving

(E) the ability for it to broaden its membership
                and leave