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yorkzhong

以下是引用cnvictory在2006-11-13 23:00:00的发言：

york,我想了解一下轮次问题：第一轮（12月5日）、第二轮（1月11日）与early action录取中国学生及发放奖学金的比例一样吗？第三轮肯定是没戏了。

谢谢！

I don't know exactly but I think your guess is about true. There're definately scolarship in the second round.

yorkzhong

以下是引用迅捷在2006-11-14 1:09:00的发言：
Even for those jobs paying US$100K+, 100 hours always is still a bit exaggerated. I am talking from consulting perspective. Investment banking could be different. I'd say on average 60-70 hours/week is normal. Consultants do have those 100-hour days, but just for a short period of time during crunch time. And when consultants are on beach, they work no more than 45 hours a week.

 

Agree. It's really depends what industry are you in. if you want to earn 200-300K in IB, you probably need to work 100 hours, if you want to earn 100K in consultanting, you probably need to work 60-70 hours, if you want to earn 80K-130K in industry (it's very rough number) you probably work 40-60 hours.

numero

Lynn在上海北京都面了一些, 如果现在都还没收到interview是不是没戏了? 之后还会不会有alumni interivew发出??

tobebraveleo

以下是引用numero在2006-11-14 11:41:00的发言：
Lynn在上海北京都面了一些, 如果现在都还没收到interview是不是没戏了? 之后还会不会有alumni interivew发出??

同问。支持一下。

promising

Hopefully, I will submit the application this week.

yorkzhong

以下是引用numero在2006-11-14 11:41:00的发言：
Lynn在上海北京都面了一些, 如果现在都还没收到interview是不是没戏了? 之后还会不会有alumni interivew发出??

Not sure, please check with admissoin officer directly.

weilong111

以下是引用yorkzhong在2006-11-14 9:59:00的发言：

Agree. It's really depends what industry are you in. if you want to earn 200-300K in IB, you probably need to work 100 hours, if you want to earn 100K in consultanting, you probably need to work 60-70 hours, if you want to earn 80K-130K in industry (it's very rough number) you probably work 40-60 hours.

thank you so much York and 迅捷，mostly I got more clear of your life now.I do not mean that the alumni exaggerate,that is some helpful,anyway,get ready for the difficulty is helpful.

I once worked at Raleigh for some months,I find the people there mostly work from 8:00AM till 4-5PM every day(exclude weekend),so I was some scared as I heard the number from the alumni at the tour,as I do not whether there is so big difference betwee NC and NY and some other cities.

I totally understand that different people will pay different efforts and time to achieve their special goal(no matter in learning and working),my personal idea is that I just hope people would have some time to spend with the family,earning more money?glory career reputation?promotion?yes,those are all very important,but they can not accompany with people all the life.

boscong

以下是引用weilong111在2006-11-15 12:55:00的发言：

thank you so much York and 迅捷，mostly I got more clear of your life now.I do not mean that the alumni exaggerate,that is some helpful,anyway,get ready for the difficulty is helpful.

I once worked at Raleigh for some months,I find the people there mostly work from 8:00AM till 4-5PM every day(exclude weekend),so I was some scared as I heard the number from the alumni at the tour,as I do not whether there is so big difference betwee NC and NY and some other cities.

I totally understand that different people will pay different efforts and time to achieve their special goal(no matter in learning and working),my personal idea is that I just hope people would have some time to spend with the family,earning more money?glory career reputation?promotion?yes,those are all very important,but they can not accompany with people all the life.

I'm speaking for myself so take it with a grain of salt.

1) Work hours in Darden: as york said, it really depends on the person's ability and his/her level of expectation.  Some people, especially those Japanese classmates will often study till midnight but some will just take it easy.  For every single case we have to study, you can study it for 30 minutes or 3 hours, it is really up to you to decide what portion of time you want to spend on studying.  Life is all about choice and studying an MBA at a top school is about giving you the option to choose.  But choosing is an act of trade off, making decision of foregoing an opportunity for one that you choose.  So like York, he decides that he want a free day on Saturday so that he spends less time on studying cases whereas I, decide that I enjoy studying cases so I spend my weekend on studying as well ... (of coz, that's related to ability difference ) and both of us are happy after all. 

2) What Darden/MBA is about: It's about a lot of things and it means different to different people.  Some say it's all about job serach, some say it's about networking & building the social network for your future, some say it's a life transformation process/experience.  My answer? All are true because people come in b-school looking for different things to start with and they end up getting or not getting what they want because of the interplays of their own efforts, the school and the macro-economic environment as well.  What's really important is what exactly is the thing you want from an MBA?  A brand name?  A job?  A 2-year experience that you'll never have if you stay in China?  Now ask that question and then ask whether Darden (or other MBA) can give that to you?  It's not about finding a DEFINITION for "WHAT IS MBA" but about whether an MBA can bring you the things you want.  The problem with many MBA students, especially those coming from China not being able to visit the school, is that they have wrong expectations from an MBA program and therefore it's like a blind-arranged marriage -- sufferage for both parties.

3) Pay & Work Hours: Tell me a job that pays you well, gets you respected, lets you work the hours you want and puts you on minimal pressure.  As you will find out (or it's just a sad fact that you know but don't want to admit), there's not a job that rewards you greatly without requiring you to sacrifice something.  This holds true in any industry.   As you climb the corporate ladder, you take up more responsibilities and pressure.  It's not just about the hours.  The job that can potentially pay the most is be the CEO/owner of a company and yet, I'd say being the boss of a firm is perhaps the job with the biggest pressure.  Money doesn't come cheap and there are always prices to pay for something you want.  With that said, of coz, working 100 hours a week is not a norm and 100K starting salary (if you stay in the US) is pretty common and you don't have to be in IBank to get that salary.   

weilong111

以下是引用boscong在2006-11-15 13:37:00的发言：

I'm speaking for myself so take it with a grain of salt.

1) Work hours in Darden: as york said, it really depends on the person's ability and his/her level of expectation.  Some people, especially those Japanese classmates will often study till midnight but some will just take it easy.  For every single case we have to study, you can study it for 30 minutes or 3 hours, it is really up to you to decide what portion of time you want to spend on studying.  Life is all about choice and studying an MBA at a top school is about giving you the option to choose.  But choosing is an act of trade off, making decision of foregoing an opportunity for one that you choose.  So like York, he decides that he want a free day on Saturday so that he spends less time on studying cases whereas I, decide that I enjoy studying cases so I spend my weekend on studying as well ... (of coz, that's related to ability difference ) and both of us are happy after all. 

2) What Darden/MBA is about: It's about a lot of things and it means different to different people.  Some say it's all about job serach, some say it's about networking & building the social network for your future, some say it's a life transformation process/experience.  My answer? All are true because people come in b-school looking for different things to start with and they end up getting or not getting what they want because of the interplays of their own efforts, the school and the macro-economic environment as well.  What's really important is what exactly is the thing you want from an MBA?  A brand name?  A job?  A 2-year experience that you'll never have if you stay in China?  Now ask that question and then ask whether Darden (or other MBA) can give that to you?  It's not about finding a DEFINITION for "WHAT IS MBA" but about whether an MBA can bring you the things you want.  The problem with many MBA students, especially those coming from China not being able to visit the school, is that they have wrong expectations from an MBA program and therefore it's like a blind-arranged marriage -- sufferage for both parties.

3) Pay & Work Hours: Tell me a job that pays you well, gets you respected, lets you work the hours you want and puts you on minimal pressure.  As you will find out (or it's just a sad fact that you know but don't want to admit), there's not a job that rewards you greatly without requiring you to sacrifice something.  This holds true in any industry.   As you climb the corporate ladder, you take up more responsibilities and pressure.  It's not just about the hours.  The job that can potentially pay the most is be the CEO/owner of a company and yet, I'd say being the boss of a firm is perhaps the job with the biggest pressure.  Money doesn't come cheap and there are always prices to pay for something you want.  With that said, of coz, working 100 hours a week is not a norm and 100K starting salary (if you stay in the US) is pretty common and you don't have to be in IBank to get that salary.   

自己的英文没那么好，所以还是用中文吧，以免产生不必要的一些误解。

对于大部分来CD的人，可能都没有较长时间实际在美国生活、工作的经验，大家既还有对USA MBA以及未来生活的的一些憧憬，同时也有着自己的一些担心。所以大家希望能够跟实际在BUSINESS SCHOOL生活和学习的同学们了解到一些更接近真实的情况——虽然谁都知道，不同的人面对同样的事情、同样的条件也会产生不同的结果。而作为各位校友、或者其实应该用“前辈”来形容比较贴切——虽然可能从年龄上来说并不是这样——大家只要将自己真实的生活体验、感受什么的分享给大家就足够了，如果能够更加客观的给大家一些中肯的指导和建议那当然就更好了。

大家在介绍DARDEN的时候，提到的一个优势就是“校友的群体”，可恕我直言——至少从目前来看DARDEN FORUM上的各位校友给大家提供的真正有用的信息不多，比如“想清楚上MBA的目的”、“到底是追求什么”等等。这些问题不用问追求美国MBA梦的各位同学，所有在学习的、在工作的人都会想。借用这次在MBA TOUR上DARDEN一位校友的话：为了提高自己去美国读MBA？——除了MBA之外有更多、更便捷、更省钱的方式。之所以去读MBA、而且愿意投入100W人民币左右去美国读，最终的目的就两个：一个获得职业的跳跃、弥补这两年来的机会成本和实际投入；二，融入美国并争取留在美国。

可能这话说的稍微有点片面，但我个人认为是比较真实、中肯的。不知道是否还有其他更合理的解释。

不希望由于一个小小的100H/WEEK的问题而影响了大家对DARDEN的兴趣和愿望，如果是我开了这个不好的头，请楼主、版主以及各位同学原谅。如果大家觉得这个问题还有探讨和交流的价值，不妨另外开一个帖子，我相信大家来DARDEN论坛并不希望看到更多的这样的信息和讨论。

yorkzhong

以下是引用weilong111在2006-11-15 19:07:00的发言：

自己的英文没那么好，所以还是用中文吧，以免产生不必要的一些误解。

对于大部分来CD的人，可能都没有较长时间实际在美国生活、工作的经验，大家既还有对USA MBA以及未来生活的的一些憧憬，同时也有着自己的一些担心。所以大家希望能够跟实际在BUSINESS SCHOOL生活和学习的同学们了解到一些更接近真实的情况——虽然谁都知道，不同的人面对同样的事情、同样的条件也会产生不同的结果。而作为各位校友、或者其实应该用“前辈”来形容比较贴切——虽然可能从年龄上来说并不是这样——大家只要将自己真实的生活体验、感受什么的分享给大家就足够了，如果能够更加客观的给大家一些中肯的指导和建议那当然就更好了。

大家在介绍DARDEN的时候，提到的一个优势就是“校友的群体”，可恕我直言——至少从目前来看DARDEN FORUM上的各位校友给大家提供的真正有用的信息不多，比如“想清楚上MBA的目的”、“到底是追求什么”等等。这些问题不用问追求美国MBA梦的各位同学，所有在学习的、在工作的人都会想。借用这次在MBA TOUR上DARDEN一位校友的话：为了提高自己去美国读MBA？——除了MBA之外有更多、更便捷、更省钱的方式。之所以去读MBA、而且愿意投入100W人民币左右去美国读，最终的目的就两个：一个获得职业的跳跃、弥补这两年来的机会成本和实际投入；二，融入美国并争取留在美国。

可能这话说的稍微有点片面，但我个人认为是比较真实、中肯的。不知道是否还有其他更合理的解释。

不希望由于一个小小的100H/WEEK的问题而影响了大家对DARDEN的兴趣和愿望，如果是我开了这个不好的头，请楼主、版主以及各位同学原谅。如果大家觉得这个问题还有探讨和交流的价值，不妨另外开一个帖子，我相信大家来DARDEN论坛并不希望看到更多的这样的信息和讨论。

首先我觉得100H/Week是一个很有意思的话题，实际上包括我在内的很多同学也在考虑这个问题，到底值不值得工作那么久去拿高薪。现实是，很多人都会选择先拿到offer,然后再考虑。比如我自己，会争取在summer intern的时候试一下consulting， 如果感觉不错，full time就去consulting.如果觉得付出的时间不值得或者根本就不适合，那full time再做别的选择。至于很多人从一开始就决定自己不会去做consulting 或者i-banking,那也是个人的选择，没有对错之分。

但是bosco讲的还有这个帖子里一再重复的"想清楚上MBA的目的”、“到底是追求什么”等等, 其实真得很重要。有的时候你觉得自己想得很明白但到了学校以后发现不是那么回事，那就对自己和学校都不好了。另外，上MBA的目的真的是因人而异，并不是每个人都想留在美国的。

我不是很清楚你指的"真正有用的信息“是什么？我相信帖子上的回复没有哪一个是文过饰非的。如果有哪些我们应该提供而没有提供的信息，请直言。我想每个darden人都会很诚恳地提供帮助的。