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[SC总结] the usage of "as with"

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发表于 2019-9-5 08:41:46 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
有NN说含有as with的选项都是错的,我觉得不能这么绝对,为了防止被反套路看了Manhattan和Magoosh还有cd上nn们的讨论,现在做一个不成熟的小总结
常见的错误说法:

1. as with=like(×)
there are several examples given by a MANHATTAN instructor:
Like Joe, John is tall.(right)

As with Joe, John is tall.(wrong)

You can translate the sentences into Chinese:【Joe和John一样高】vs和【和Joe一样,John是高】

和like不一样,like后面只能加名词性结构,在将X和Y进行比较时,默认了比较对象是Y后面出现的性质,而非X和Y本身的比较;而as with则是只将X和Y这两者进行比较


2. as with is the elliptic version of as is the case with(×)

参考链接:https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/post77914.html?hilit=The%20problem%20is%20that%20using%20the%20phrase%20as%20with%20X%20would%20require%20you%20to%20compare%20clauses,%20which%20must%20include%20a%20verb,%20but%20with%20is%20a%20preposition%20that%20can%27t%20include%20a%20verb.#p77914


the usage of "as with"


1. "as with" can be used to make a comparison when there is a "with" earlier in the sentence.(by an instructor of Magoosh,很多NN也提到过,语法上也说得通,算是正确用法的实锤了)

The problem with Greece, as with many other European countries, is that the government spends more money than it earns.


参考链接:https://gmat.magoosh.com/forum/6252-thai-village-crafts-as-with-other-cultures


2. Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashionedusing traditional skills.

(A) as with

(B) as did those of

(C) as they have in

(D)like in

(E) like those of (√)

而OG对于A选项的解释是:Furthermore, the use here of as with is questionable. To do the job it is supposed to do here (to indicate that the crafts of Thai villages are like the crafts of other cultures in a particular way), as with should be at the beginning of the sentence: As with the crafts of other cultures, Thai village crafts have developed . . . . Alternatively, like could be used here instead of as with.

也就是说

Thai village creafts, like those of other cultures, have developed through the ......

As with the crafts of other cultures, Thai village crafts have developed through the......

这两个句子都是对的

所以as with在用的时候,(1)要放在句首,(2)后面要完整明确地写出比较的对象,而且平行,(3)必须是将as with 后面的内容与整个主句进行比较,而不是主句的主语,比如上面提到的as with Joe, John is tall就是错误的

在以上条件都满足的时候,as with的用法是正确的,但是当其他选项里面有like且like的用法正确是,选like


(第一个用法是实锤正确,但是第二个是我自己的感觉,如果错了NN们一定告诉我)


还有一些讨论AS WITH的帖子:

求助大神版主们 OG16 SC Q21 VS Q101 as with的问题https://forum.chasedream.com/for ... amp;fromuid=1396486(出处: https://forum.chasedream.com/)





发表于 2019-9-11 10:11:18 发自 iPad 设备 | 显示全部楼层
非常感谢分享!?但是看了之后我还是有一个问题 看了分享的链接 instructor的原话是 The problem is that using the phrase “as with X” would require you to compare clauses, which must include a verb, but with is a preposition that can’t include a verb.
这句话的意思不是说as with 接从句不对不接从句也不对?那么 as with本身的存在是不是就有问题呢...
然后与后面的主句比较这句话也是很理解,OG上的正确句子不也是两个crafts的对比吗?再次感谢整理和分享!


 楼主| 发表于 2019-9-11 14:46:15 | 显示全部楼层
Momomoni 发表于 2019-9-11 10:11
非常感谢分享!?但是看了之后我还是有一个问题 看了分享的链接 instructor的原话是 The problem is that u ...

我觉得Tim说的这句话的前半句应该是一条通用准则,即as with通常需要和主句进行比较而不是主句中的某一部分,后半句应该是针对他上面举的那个例子,就是like Joe, John is tall.& as with Joe, John is tall.
在这个例子里面需要as with后面的部分去compare clause(John is tall), 由于as with没有like那样的功能所以需要将全句补出,就是要写成as with Joe is tall才能表达意思,但是这样语法又说不通,所以第二个例子错了。
我觉得as with这个零件本身语法上没有什么问题,因为og在解释里面给出过正确的举例(As with the crafts of other cultures, Thai village crafts have developed through the......),但是因为它总是需要写得很详细,所以同等条件下跟like比起来就比较wordy,所以同等情况下应该选like

就是有点怕被反套路才确定一下它的正确用法,不然觉得很不放心哈哈哈哈哈哈
发表于 2019-9-16 17:06:37 发自 iPad 设备 | 显示全部楼层
明白啦 谢谢~
发表于 2019-10-30 14:30:59 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2019-10-30 14:37:25 | 显示全部楼层
小白一只,想问一下有一点觉得不太明确

就是楼主说as with的用法第三点:必须是将as with后面的内容与整个主句进行比较,而不是主句的主语,但是在og这道题里面写的是

as with the crafts of other cultures,Thai village crafts have developed through the...
这里的as with后面加的名词短语,不是也是与主句主语的比较吗
 楼主| 发表于 2019-11-1 11:18:51 | 显示全部楼层
脏洪圆 发表于 2019-10-30 14:37
小白一只,想问一下有一点觉得不太明确

就是楼主说as with的用法第三点:必须是将as with后面的内容与整个 ...

我有一个不成熟的规律啊,你可以参考一下下,就是如果主句的动词是表状态的话,比如be动词这种的,那么比较的就是as with后面的部分和主句主语,所以一般是错的,但是如果主句主语是action verb的话,那么就是as with后面的部分和主句比较了
因为已经分手两个多星期了所以有一点忘了,如果说错了一定要提出来
发表于 2019-12-28 10:00:01 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢楼主总结
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