请教大家AA028

uwaki

我觉得象这种本身攻击点比较少的文章可以多写一点可行的其他改进来充字数..

不一定要死揪着找攻击点

c_fishchou

刚做了这题的提纲，也拿出来请大家讨论一下：

1.Reduce buses fare or increase parking price are not the only solution on this issue.（这个跟楼主写出来的一样，嘻嘻）

2.Use of shuttle buses less maybe not becoz of the fare, but becoz the line of bus is not good, or service is bad, or security problem.

3.shutle bus is one kind of public service, so increase volume is not the only target for them, in order to decrease costs, they can also think about reduce the amount of shuttle bus if necessary, or change the line.

cannahere

我觉得这篇的核心问题是论点和论据不搭配
evidence与conclusion无关
evidence：在说地铁人过多，而bus人少-----其对应的论点应该是说怎么解决地铁人过多的问题
conclusion：说让drive的人坐bus的解决方法----解决的是drive的人过多的问题

两个内容驴头不对马嘴

段七七

我也有疑问丫！
关于是不是一定是drive car或者shuttle buses，会不会是句子用了IF的句式，if the transit company expects commuters to ride the shuttle buses to the subway rather than drive there....所以就不存在这个错误了呢

crocdile

我的提纲，NN给指导一下：
1.    no casual relationship:lower commuter use of the shuttle buses may results from another reasons,such as poor condition of the shuttle busses ,a route too remote for most riders,more convient taxi taking.
2.    not sufficient：assumes the reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking are the only critical factors to increase the ridership.
3.    either-or thinking:reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking is not mutuall exclusive alternatives.

xiaoqiaoli

我的提纲，NN给指导一下：
1.    no casual relationship:lower commuter use of the shuttle buses may results from another reasons,such as poor condition of the shuttle busses ,a route too remote for most riders,more convient taxi taking.
2.    not sufficient：assumes the reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking are the only critical factors to increase the ridership.
3.    either-or thinking:reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking is not mutuall exclusive alternatives.

-- by 会员 crocdile (2010/10/19 10:56:24)

第一点所说的causal relationship 是不是指的commuter use的减少和drive to the stations 的人太多？如果不是，那这一点cusual relationship 指的是什么呢？

jiaerbaobei

1.causal oversimplification, 不坐车的原因不光是车费，还可能是人们走着去锻炼身体。。。
2.wrong mutually exclusive alternatives，降票价和增停车费不是互斥的，可以一起干

这篇看得我好纠结，找不出什么

yue129

1。把相关性当做因果关系 有人不坐公交的原因并不是公交费用和停车费的原因。对于一些走路来锻炼的人，降公交费加停车费并不会使得他们选择坐公交。
2 因果关系简单化 降低公交费用 加停车费是唯一的解决办法？改变不合理的公交路线，提高公交服务质量呢？
3 非此即彼的错误

求nn点评。。。

GYF

The argument recommends that reducing shuttle bus fares or increase the price of parking at the subway stations can increase the commuter use of the shuttle buses. To justify the claim, the author points out that the commuter use of the shuttle buses, transporting people to the subway stations, is not compared with that of the new subway train. In addition, the author argues that driving to the subway station resulted in that the commuter use of the shuttle buses is below the projected volume. At first glance, the argument appears to be somewhat plausible, but further reflection reveals that it suffers from several logic flaws.

To begin with, the author assumes that reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking at subway station are exclusive alternatives. However ,the author presents a false dilemma by imposing an either-or choice. The author overlooks the possibility that the shuttle bus fares are originally not so high and it would be reduced a little, thus would not thoroughly affect the commuters to drive there. Moreover, the same may be true of parking at the subway stations. Also, we can easily provide better results by designing a new shorter routine only for shuttle buses which can save time thus spending less time than to drive to the stations.

In addition, the author's line of reasoning is that driving to the station caused the result that commuter use of the shuttle buses is below the projected volume. While self-driving might be the important contributing factor to the result, but it's not the only such factor. All other prospective causes might bring about the same result. For example, the health conditions of the shuttle buses might not take the comfortable feelings and the shuttle buses might not have enough seats, thus making some people no seats to have a rest. As the reasons stand, the author's assumption might not be thoroughly worthy of consideration.

The last but not the least ,the author also assumes that reducing the shuttle bus fares and increasing the price of parking at subway station are only solutions to the problem. However, the arguer commits a fallacy of causal oversimplification .other measures to the problem such as propagating that automobile contributes to the pollution and riding shuttle bus more safer than self-driving. Without evidences that can rule out such solutions ,the author's recommendation cannot be totally accepted.

In conclusion, this is a weak argument. To strengthen the argument's recommendation, the author would have to demonstrate that no other prospective solutions can work out the problem .Additionally, the author would have to show that the exclusive alternatives can achieve the company's expectation that commuters to ride the shuttle buses to the subway rather than drive there.

GYF

关于这点，我认为作者有这样一个假设;因为大多数人driving，所以导致了坐shuttle bus的人少了。所以我认为这个应该是causally oversimplify的错误。