求助: Should I go or wait for one year -about Duke（兼MBA申请坦诚版）

DDDCCC

thanks a lot, tianwan, you are super Niu!!! As the the date of deposit is coming, I need to make a final decision.

Thanks, CD XDJM!!!

lucsh

以下是引用tommysu2004在2005-4-4 15:09:00的发言：

小于30岁，可以再等等。

大于30岁，就去duke吧。

HBS保证不了你成功，DUKE也一定能对得住你投资。

商学院不过是职业的敲门砖，又不能吃一辈子，是不是这个理？

同意!年龄也很重要啊!人都是要老的的要死的,有些事情由不得人啊.......不过可靠的消息是HBS对30岁以上的申请者没多大兴趣

zdcgy

以下是引用tommysu2004在2005-4-5 10:31:00的发言：

服了你，tianwan，写东西不需要时间？

其实楼主的问题不在于明年申请不到牛校，尽管我认为duke已经可以算牛校了，只不过这两年找中国人多了点，大家都不当回事了。

我认为楼主的问题在于觉得牛校就是一切，这一点不能苟同，例子中国的美国的多了去了，就拿我说事，我曾经上过中国数一数二的牛校，最后还不是在国内混不下去了，三十好几要逃去美国读MBA。

牛校不等于成功。别说我吃不着葡萄啊，呵呵。

But I think the admission from a top Chinese college is not as a good indicator of your past success and future professional potential as the admission from a top MBA program is. As we all know, the former depends on "grade" only. Still more, there are both "popular" and "unpopular" departments/specializations in the college, which makes it difficult to compare apple with apple just based on where a student graduate from. In terms of grades, many students from not-so-prestigious universities qualify for most specializations of top universities.

On the contrary, if you are admitted by a top MBA, you must have undergone a more comprehensive screening that evaluates the reputation your alma mater, your rank in the class, your IQ and logic as indicated partly by the standard tests, the reputation of your employer, your responsibilities in the firm, and other soft skills. This is a good summarization of your academic, professional, and personal achivements. What is more, since we are able to apply for multiple schools, the possibility of "bad luck", which is somewhat high in college entrance exam in China, can be kept minimal. As a result, we can mostly rest assured that we will achieve what we deserve. (of course, it is another story as to whether or not you will finally attend the program due to financial or personal concerns.)

In this sense, I think you should give yourself another try, or you will regret for your whole life. (though we cannot say that the job prospects of Duke are necessarily less satisfacotry.)

Duke2006

if Duke is not your "dream school", I think you should not come, you will absolutely regret.

Duke is my "dream school". I am here and I will never regret.

DDDCCC

以下是引用Duke2006在2005-4-6 1:10:00的发言：

if Duke is not your "dream school", I think you should not come, you will absolutely regret.

Duke is my "dream school". I am here and I will never regret.

to Duke2006,

Sorry, I hope what I wrote does not make you feel upset or unhappy. As you are a pride member of Fuqua, I sincerely hope you can talk more about Duke, the job offerings, the intership, the life at Fuqua and what you can take away from Duke and what you can contribute to Duke. For me, I just want to say some words in my heart and I dont want to evulate which school is better than other schools. I believe everyone has their own dream school, right? So, what I mean is to choose the school fit for me, not talk about the ranking in the business world.

If what I wrote make you unhappy, I apologize. But, since you are a current student, I hope you can give me some suggestion. Many appreciated!

tommysu2004

zdcgy,

首先我同意你的看法。

但是有一些进一步的问题可以讨论一下：

我认为中国的考试和录取制度相比美国的是非常落后，应该在最近的几十年向他们学习和靠拢。但是你也需要考虑到中美的国情不同。拿高考来说，我是90年参加高考的，当时我理解那几乎就是中国最公正的制度，让每一个没有背景和无论出身哪里的年轻人都有一次追逐梦想的机会。现在的高考不清楚，不敢妄言。那时确实靠分数，但是当时还有更公正的手段没有呢？文革的时候倒是搞过一阵子推荐上大学，结果呢？一个小山村的年轻人，村里就没几个认识字的人，你非要逼他找两个推荐人写信，这不是歧视吗？相反上次上交弄出的录取丑闻，不就是因为许多有权有势的人推荐吗？如果现在中国就实行美国的录取制度，那么录取工作就完全要靠道德维系了。

其次，美国的录取制度也非常关注成绩和学校，不说是唯成绩和学校论，但是也不是没有排名。

美国的大学本科录取都要写ESSAY或者PS，因为他们靠这个认识你和判断你的成功潜能，但是捉笔代刀的人多了去了，而且即便是将人生和职业计划的非常好，对中国的情况来说，我认为没有可操作性。

最后说个人的职业成就，我不相信美国普通人非常了解中国的经济情况，知道哪些公司受人尊敬和成功。如果老拿500强说事，我认为也不公正。

个人一点看法，欢迎指正。

zdcgy

tommysu2004,

I agree with every word of yours!

Best wishes to your endeavor of dream chasing!

ygjm

不知楼主毕业后的打算如何, 个人感觉top5的MBA与其他top10之间的差距不会比top10与top20以后的大, MBA毕竟只是个过程而不是结果, 在你毕业3年或5年以后更多得是看你的工作而不是学校的差别了.

第二, 如果楼主希望留在美国的话, 对于中国人而言, 同美国同学在一条线上竞争是有不少先天的弱点, 这些对你毕业后的影响要胜于top5和top10之间的差异; 而申请top5的MBA很大程度上又有运气的成分, 前几年MBA就业不好造成了申请人数下降,不过现在又有回暖的趋势, 楼主对明年申请又有多少把握呐?

第三, 估计不少出国MBA的多少都想过回国发展, 这就更得看看国情了. 在国内的校友网络, 国人对各校的认知程度都得考虑. 举个例子, kellogg算是标准的top5吧, 但他对印度比中国更有兴趣, 所招收的中,印学生比例快1:20了.而duke, michigan等每年招中国学生有20多, 国内的队伍现在就已经不小了. 这些因素对中国人来说可能更实际些, 我觉得楼主不能一味的只看排名(虽然我今年被kellogg拒了, 有酸葡萄之嫌, 呵呵).   

我理解楼主的不甘心, 就像高考时, 去不了清华北大, 就是好像有些遗憾, 其实过来了想想, 去了又如何? 曾经听说有放弃复旦, 就为了来年上北大的, 楼主觉得值吗? 学位不是目的, 更多得是看个人职业上的奋斗. anyway, 一家之言, 楼主姑且看看吧, 祝好运!

DDDCCC

Thank you very much for CDer's help and suggestion.

My background: 500 financial service company in China

Future career fields: Bank, consulting or IB. I  plan to work at USA in one or two year, and then come back to China.

About reapply this year: 80% confidence + 20% good luck!

Dole

dddccc你的决定早就决定了不是吗？ 我好像看出来了。你已经作了决定重申，你希望得到一些支持，来坚定自己的信念和证明自己的想法是正确的。我没看错吗？

如果我想做一件事情，我妈说不我爸说不我男朋友说不，我朋友说不，但如果我走在马路上突然听到一个路过人说了句do it。管他是和街对面的dog说的还是和他老婆说的，反正我就会蹦蹦跳跳地去作我的想法去了。毕竟有人赞同我了！~that means everything for me .  

不知道你。

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