请问是否应该Reapply, 求建议!!

ilovecathy

相比于CFA在申请过程中不是很加分，那CICPA的帮助大么？

如果你的目标是IB的话，reapply吧。对于国际学生来讲，Emory实在是太有难度了。
LZ目标定的很好，但Big4平时工作这么忙，能不能都实现呢？我来泼泼冷水~
1. 就我看来，LZ的硬指标已经过关了，除非T能上110，不然也差不了多少。
2. CFA要花很多时间准备的，就算考出来也只是反应对finance感兴趣而已。多花这么多时间去证明，值得么？
3. 内部transfer我觉得也不容易。而且就算转成了，要想在简历上有东西写，essay里有故事说，还是要好好干，这很费时间。
4. essay真的很重要。
今年LZ可能是准备晚了，但才是要分析是哪里做的不够。离明年的第一轮也就半年时间，怕很难一口气吃成个胖子。

I am admitted to Emory MBA program with 75% tuition free. However, I'm not sure whether to go to Emory or reapply. My career goal is investment bank, but I guess Emory cannot give me too much help to realize my goal. Actually, I tried some top schools including Wharton, CBS and Tuck this year, but failed to get admission. I hope to hear some advice. Thanks.

My brief background:

G 760, T 104, 3.5 years working exp. in big 4.  

If choose to reapply, I believe I could better my candidacy in five ways:
1.       Re-take the TOEFL to gain a more competitive score;
2.       Pass the CFA level 1 this June.
3.       Transfer from audit department to financial advisory department of big 4.
4.       Have months to refine my essays.
5.       Apply in the early round.

I know that nothing could guarantee an admission to Columbia, Wharton or the other top tiers. But I believe the admissions from second tier b-schools such as Ross, Darden, Cornell and UCLA are reachable. Is it a wise decision to give up on Emory (and the $$$) and spend another year struggling for such second tier ones. Pls give me advices regarding my dilemma. Thanks for reading my post and look forward to any advices.

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 11:16:39)

-- by 会员 breadwgy (2011/3/1 13:17:51)

ilovecathy

[quote]

如果你的目标是IB的话，reapply吧。对于国际学生来讲，Emory实在是太有难度了。
LZ目标定的很好，但Big4平时工作这么忙，能不能都实现呢？我来泼泼冷水~
1. 就我看来，LZ的硬指标已经过关了，除非T能上110，不然也差不了多少。
2. CFA要花很多时间准备的，就算考出来也只是反应对finance感兴趣而已。多花这么多时间去证明，值得么？
3. 内部transfer我觉得也不容易。而且就算转成了，要想在简历上有东西写，essay里有故事说，还是要好好干，这很费时间。
4. essay真的很重要。
今年LZ可能是准备晚了，但才是要分析是哪里做的不够。离明年的第一轮也就半年时间，怕很难一口气吃成个胖子。

I am admitted to Emory MBA program with 75% tuition free. However, I'm not sure whether to go to Emory or reapply. My career goal is investment bank, but I guess Emory cannot give me too much help to realize my goal. Actually, I tried some top schools including Wharton, CBS and Tuck this year, but failed to get admission. I hope to hear some advice. Thanks.

My brief background:

G 760, T 104, 3.5 years working exp. in big 4.  

If choose to reapply, I believe I could better my candidacy in five ways:
1.       Re-take the TOEFL to gain a more competitive score;
2.       Pass the CFA level 1 this June.
3.       Transfer from audit department to financial advisory department of big 4.
4.       Have months to refine my essays.
5.       Apply in the early round.

I know that nothing could guarantee an admission to Columbia, Wharton or the other top tiers. But I believe the admissions from second tier b-schools such as Ross, Darden, Cornell and UCLA are reachable. Is it a wise decision to give up on Emory (and the $$$) and spend another year struggling for such second tier ones. Pls give me advices regarding my dilemma. Thanks for reading my post and look forward to any advices.

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 11:16:39)

-- by 会员 breadwgy (2011/3/1 13:17:51)

如果下定决心的话...是准备
1.在四月把T考到110+... 分数肯定越高越好
2.六月考CFA level I...考这个一方面是因为自己的兴趣,一方面也是使我跟去年相比有所提供,re-essay里面也有写的点-参加考试是为今后职业发展做知识储备，essay里写价值不大。
3.考完之后转部门,并开始申请. 如果可以，尽早转部门
4.Essay的重要性通过这一年体会也很深刻了...准备参加一些workshop啊...找mentor来协助一下...不再闭门造车了--这个非常同意毋庸置疑

个人观点如上，另外加一句，如果lz真的非常渴望IB，建议re-apply.但是在两或三年之后，等你在新岗位有了职业积累和成长，CFA通过3级，会为你的profile增加实质性的价值，无论是申请还是毕业后的求职。如果今年申请，尽管你的标准考试成绩出色，但还是建议调整预期为宜。

-- by 会员 jianxinl6 (2011/3/1 15:00:32)

同是四大背景，同样想申MBA，同样想去banking。请问jianxinl6童鞋，和CFA3相比，CICPA对于申请及今后找工作的价值如何呢，应该先考哪个比较好呢？

ilovecathy

相比于CFA在申请过程中不是很加分，那CICPA的帮助大么？

如果你的目标是IB的话，reapply吧。对于国际学生来讲，Emory实在是太有难度了。
LZ目标定的很好，但Big4平时工作这么忙，能不能都实现呢？我来泼泼冷水~
1. 就我看来，LZ的硬指标已经过关了，除非T能上110，不然也差不了多少。
2. CFA要花很多时间准备的，就算考出来也只是反应对finance感兴趣而已。多花这么多时间去证明，值得么？
3. 内部transfer我觉得也不容易。而且就算转成了，要想在简历上有东西写，essay里有故事说，还是要好好干，这很费时间。
4. essay真的很重要。
今年LZ可能是准备晚了，但才是要分析是哪里做的不够。离明年的第一轮也就半年时间，怕很难一口气吃成个胖子。

I am admitted to Emory MBA program with 75% tuition free. However, I'm not sure whether to go to Emory or reapply. My career goal is investment bank, but I guess Emory cannot give me too much help to realize my goal. Actually, I tried some top schools including Wharton, CBS and Tuck this year, but failed to get admission. I hope to hear some advice. Thanks.

My brief background:

G 760, T 104, 3.5 years working exp. in big 4.  

If choose to reapply, I believe I could better my candidacy in five ways:
1.       Re-take the TOEFL to gain a more competitive score;
2.       Pass the CFA level 1 this June.
3.       Transfer from audit department to financial advisory department of big 4.
4.       Have months to refine my essays.
5.       Apply in the early round.

I know that nothing could guarantee an admission to Columbia, Wharton or the other top tiers. But I believe the admissions from second tier b-schools such as Ross, Darden, Cornell and UCLA are reachable. Is it a wise decision to give up on Emory (and the $$$) and spend another year struggling for such second tier ones. Pls give me advices regarding my dilemma. Thanks for reading my post and look forward to any advices.

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 11:16:39)

-- by 会员 breadwgy (2011/3/1 13:17:51)

-- by 会员 ilovecathy (2011/3/1 15:00:02)

LZ有CICPA...本人的失败经验证明CICPA作用不大...至少不如CFA大...个人感觉...

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 15:09:19)

谢谢LZ的回答哈，之前还听人说CPA的作用大于CFA，真是纠结啊，呵呵。

ilovecathy

其实说实在的，做完这5点真不会有质的飞越，很多big 4er走在前头了
CFA3 750+ 105+ with IB goal, 这样的人比你想像的要多很多，他们在top10申请里同样面临how to differentiate的问题

所以不如花时间在丰富课外活动，大部份big4er这方面都比较欠，在differentiate方面的边际效用要高很多。

-- by 会员 AllenZX (2011/3/1 14:41:10)

this one makes a lot of sense. lz would probably own a killer resume next year if he quit his job and just do want ever he wants for a while.  gotta spice it up, man.

-- by 会员 WendyT (2011/3/1 14:54:27)

Thanks for posting.

"quit his job and just do want ever he wants"

I would love to hear more on this point? Could you please be more specific? That'll be very much appreciated.

Btw, if I can choose, take aside the IB dream, I would go back hometown and become a teacher in my home middle school...lol...

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 15:07:58)

Do so, you won't regret it...lol...

-- by 会员 ManInTheMirror (2011/3/1 15:16:40)

hehe.. can't agree more. coz it sounds much more fascinating than passing CFA3 in 2013 and becoming an IBD associate in 2015...  lol..  just kidding..

-- by 会员 AllenZX (2011/3/1 15:27:59)

but seriously....there are a bunch of big four ppl who apply, if lz wants to stand out...he/she can't just rely on a piece of paper indicating a cfa1 (PS: i don't think cfa1 makes much of a difference....)...buf if lz does something like this, for sure he's gonna stand out....chinese (including myself) needs some gutts to do things like this, to show that we are not boring people who just go by the book...

-- by 会员 ManInTheMirror (2011/3/1 15:34:25)

感觉有点扯远了，课外活动固然是很重要的一部分，但是在整体的package中不是决定性因素。
一直觉得goal其实并没有好坏之分，关键在于如何justify，把自己的经历跟自己的goal紧密地联系起来。之所以四大人写IBD没有竞争力，是因为与其他有投行或者PE背景的人相比，过去的经验不足以保证将来可以顺利地做这样一个career switch，B-school最concern的说到底还是毕业以后学生能不能找到工作。而这个短板通过课外活动本身也不足以弥补。
读下来，谈谈我的想法：
1>有比较高的G，可以demonstrate academic excellence，所以个人觉得T不是短板，CFA也加不了多少分（我当时面试Chicago的时候，还解释了半天什么是CICPA，什么是ACCA, 感觉别人不是特别care的）。
2>Background不是特别special，四大申请的人实在太多，包括已经被Emory录取的其他同学中也有一些和你一样background的，甚至有G更高的，也同样在纠结中。所以明年申请，竞争也会一样很激烈（大家都会多多少少有一些volunteer的work，extra curriculum的特长）。能换到advisory会增加exposue，但老实说一年半载的也学不到特别多的东西，而且对学校来说大概也还是算四大finance pool的吧？不会有太本质的区别。
3>就Emory本身来说，R2的deadline是12.1，相信楼主即使是10月开始准备，也应该有比较长一段时间准备R2一些学校的essay，到底是不是因为时间仓促想不明白可能也要具体问题具体分析了。

建议楼主多分析一下自己今年申请的情况，申了哪些学校，essay的quality，和学校的强项是不是match。也可以多分享一些细节大家可以帮忙出出主意。就像thomas26说的，reapply对essay的发挥有很多局限，楼主要三思。

-- by 会员 hellosunshine (2011/3/1 16:34:11)

不要意思请问一下hellosunshine，您觉得在申请中CFA或CICPA的帮助不大是么？本来还在纠结要不要先考完CFA或CICPA再申请。呵呵。

ilovecathy

LZ啊，偶觉得增加international exposure挺重要的。感觉你似乎不是有很多international exposure。如果实在没有的话，package里面要体现出你的global mindset吧。至少对某些学校还是挺重要的，偶觉得。

另外，你的CG是IB的话，如果你其他方面不是特别强的话，还是挺难进的哈。很多BIG4的都有CFA神马的，分数比你高的也有挺多的。如果你的ESSAY不是特别有亮点CG又是IB的话，可能真的挺难让你自己stand out的，top 10还是比较困难的。建议深入挖掘你工作以外比较独特的方面。如果以前不是有很多community service的话，不建议从这方面入手。可以好好回顾一下你的过往经历，看看除了IB以外神马样的CG最合理，然后业余多专研搞搞和CG相关的副业也会有所帮助吧，你的ESSAY也会有挺多其他有意思的内容的。

恩，偶的申请也很平淡。面试也没拿几个。以上只是偶的一点点小想法而已。

-- by 会员 JoeyTribbiani (2011/3/1 18:40:44)

Joey也是四大的?! 这个帖子激起了好多big 4er的共鸣...咳...

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/1 20:40:52)

是呀，看来这里的四大人还挺多的；大家可以开个群交流交流，嘿嘿~

ilovecathy

前面大家讨论下来的结果是CICPA或CFA对申请的帮助不大，那对于毕业之后找工作的帮助大么？谢谢各位啦~

ilovecathy

前面大家讨论下来的结果是CICPA或CFA对申请的帮助不大，那对于毕业之后找工作的帮助大么？谢谢各位啦~

-- by 会员 ilovecathy (2011/3/2 12:33:21)

偶的看法, 找工作的时候比申请有用...如果是在美国...那CFA有用些...大陆的话看你找的什么行业的工作了吧...两个证都还是比较有含金量的. 记得看到过一个说法叫做3A: CFA+CPA+MBA...是投行的敲门砖...可能肤浅了一点...但是也说明一定问题吧.

-- by 会员 lakerfan123 (2011/3/2 13:49:03)

谢谢啦，羡慕LZ已经过了CPA，像我这样连CPA都还没过的，势必要在9月份考试和第一轮申请之间做一艰难的抉择，呵呵。