（已定ESSEC）Bocconi MSF V.S. ESSEC GE

cheesechan

1. kick away McGill, and choose one out of ESSEC and Bocconi. (2nd tier business school in Canada, and poor location, contradiation between PEQ and career location)
(話講, McGill倒轉頭拿來當laurier mfin with coop的備胎可能更合理......另, 我真心看不到McGill MMF哪裡偏理科了.......)
2. be realistic. London after brexit is not something you can expect at all.
3. Bocconi is a solid 1st tier school to European, or those who speak Italian. Therefore some schools you are planning not to apply are better than Bocconi in terms of location (and language)
(e.g. 去了RSM 直接找amsteram的, 去了HSG or Mannheim之類學好德語直接找frankfurt的, logic和去了HEC / ESSEC之類學好法語直接找paris的一樣道理. 比去了Bocconi學了意大利語也不知有幾多工作可以找好不少......)
4. If you aim at developing your further career in asian pacific instead of Europe / Canada, kick out all the school mentioned here.....
5. 一邊"想著留在国外工作几年，然后移民", 一邊想著要asian-pacific的growth, 這世界那有這麼便宜的事......

(o? 樓主本身是會法語的? 那如果法語足夠好的話, kick out bocconi and then choose one from ESSEC and McGill......i will say ESSEC)

cheesechan

Flyte 发表于 2018-1-19
1. Yeah if I go to McGill, I aim to immigrate, since I can speak French. The reason why I choose this school is that McGill has a high world rank, top 20-30 I guess? and the second best English speaking uni in Quebec is Concordia ......so I have no choice.
2. Yeah , London is not something I can expect, I now it though I hate to admit it....
3. bocconi is comparable to HEC in mainland Europe. most of my EU friends say it's better than ESSEC. (they are EU citizens so they don't need to worry about visa...) But the economy of Italy is shitttttty. Even Italians don't want to stay in Italy. RSM has Holland to back it up, HSG has Frankfurt and Zurich.  But the programs offered by RSM and HSG are too short (18m) for me to learn the local language and do an internship and find a job? The GE offered by Essec is at leat 3 years so I am positive to find a job and stay in France.
4. I plan to stay in western countries for personal reasons. I wonder if I go to bocconi and than exchange to France and perhaps do an internship in Paris , can I find a job in France after graduation ? I mean Bocconi is Top tier in EU, it should be recognised in Paris as well.
5. I think Essec suits me better, but Bocconi better prepares me for the hard skills I will need in the future.

1a. but you have to know that McGill only......................the reputation and education quality of their business school is far from Canadian 1st tier (ESSEC is a France 1st tier school even it is not as good as HEC in finance)
1b. location matter, you need to be in Toronto.....at the end, getting a good job is the biggest challenge, instead of getting a permit.....
1c. upside is you have a co-op, but the problem of Laurier will be...visa this time. I will suggest Laurier if one dont speak French, but it will be a tough call for you case........and that's why I voted for ESSEC because you have the time and network for internship, and dont have to worry much about visa there.
1d. no one fxcking care about the QS world ranking unless you plan to go back to China.

2. Actually this is not because you are an Chinese / non-European........the game changes after brexit (european will likely need a visa to work in UK when you grauate....)

3a. no one finish it in the exact normative study period for a master in HSG or most business MA/MS in the German-speaking region (unless one plan to go back home afterwars). People go to internships in between, need more time for thesis and etc. In reality, people just take time like something of MiM in France, i.e. 6 semester is common. The school just dont write the internship into the program, but the job market need it, and students do that.
3b. for RSM, Dutch is relativly less required in Amsterdam than French / Geman in Paris / Frankfurt, and also dont forget the 1 year job seeking visa policy there........of course given you speak some French already, France is a more intitutive choice.

4a. what I mean is: there is tradeoff. make the choice, and dont complain.
4b. an exchange to HEC is competitive. also beware that your visa status makes a difference.

5a. you dont need that much hard skills for a general finance job. it is not quantitative finance.
5b. take the CFA

cheesechan

Flyte 发表于 2018-1-20 20:03
哈哈哈谢谢啦，就算拿到laurier的offer应该也不会去了，cheesechen大神咋想的，McGill还是比laurier好很 ...

co-op.........

cheesechan

Flyte 发表于 2018-1-20 12:47
Can I ask you one more question? In your opinion, regardless of schools, does Canada have more pot ...

it is quite hard to guess, both are well developed countries, and growth are quite limited......

cheesechan

Flyte 发表于 2018-1-24 10:57
well yes， laurier has co-op, but I can get a 1 year or perhaps 3 years visa after I graduate, so  ...

it is a 12 month program, so it should be 1 year visa.
and ........ when you talk about the placement, is it the placement of Chinese (or at least international) student instead of the whole cohort?

cheesechan

望渔堤 发表于 2019-3-4 16:36
Mr. Cheese may I ask you what's your opinion of Bocconi's data science and business analytics prog ...

1. looking at the program structure, it sounds a normal (and quite solid) analytics program (given business school standard)

2. I am not a business analytics guy, so I dont know in details. What I will suggest you to do is to looking into Indeed/stepstone/... in respective countries to see how the job market there are.
One thing I will worry about if I were you is the language and location - given that business analytics is somehow telling stories with data, quite some such role in Europe require local language (some not, especially the more technical one - but be prepared to fight with tech uni graduates for that). Given the market condition in Italy, I will doubt the value of learning Italian. Be prepared to fight for limited English roles in Germany, Netherlands and etc... if you want to stay in Europe after graduate.

cheesechan

我是谁呀呀 发表于 2019-3-4 20:05
Mr Cheese, I also apply business analytics program and now I can't make a choice between ESSEC an ...

先自己去查previous placement record (of international / chinese student)吧.........