Except VS Except for (它们有区别吗？)

Zacky

第一次发帖，请多指教。

在og上看到毛里求斯是英国殖民地那一题。og说，excepting for is non-idiomatic


我想问一下，except for 是真的不正确的习惯用法么？
e.g. except for newscasts, I hardly watch any television at all. (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary)


如果只是因为使用场合不同，那么我们要怎么区分呢？


谢谢大家。

puccan

Hey i found this online from a GMAT instructor. I Hope that this is going to help you.


in the context of the gmat, i would generally choose plain old except, because it's more concise. i'm not sure i've ever seen a formal pronouncement on the issue, though.

there are some instances in which except must be followed by some preposition, in order to properly introduce some clause - but even in most of those cases, there's a better preposition than for. here's one example:

not as good: he was the perfect employee in every way except for that he always showed up late.
better: he was the perfect employee in every way except in that he always showed up late.

Zacky

Thank you so much.

so, we shall stick to Except rather than Except for on GMAT.

yvonnexie125

The example is helpfｕｌ！！

paradisezxh

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中，一般不区别except 和except for，两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别：

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如：
everyone helped，not excepting him。
all  were there，not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911，Scott Joplin's ragtime opera＂Treemonisha＂was not produced　until 1972，sixty-one years after its completion．
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.（A）
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先，句子中需要一个转折，因此用BUT,
其次，C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配

果果henan

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中，一般不区别except 和except for，两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别：

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如：
everyone helped，not excepting him。
all  were there，not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911，Scott Joplin's ragtime opera＂Treemonisha＂was not produced　until 1972，sixty-one years after its completion．
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.（A）
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先，句子中需要一个转折，因此用BUT,
其次，C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配

-- by 会员 paradisezxh (2012/5/21 19:04:49)

多谢啊，懂了

love凤巢

yvonnexie125 发表于 2012-3-12 02:42
The example is helpfｕｌ！！

Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged（A）

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

敢问此题为何选A呢？求指导！

yvonnexie125

love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 12:11
Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime ...

你选的是哪一个呢？

love凤巢

yvonnexie125 发表于 2013-4-6 15:52
你选的是哪一个呢？

这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下：
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的，所以和原句不符。
Dexcepting 只能跟在否定句后面
E.with the exception of 不符合表达习惯。
我想问的就是：
OG说 excepting for is non-idiomatic, 但是except for 还是可以的吧？
至于except 和except for 的区别大不大， 比如这道题中A选项中的except for 变成except 是否可以，或者说哪个更好呢？求指教！谢谢！

yvonnexie125

love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 16:38
这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下：
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的，所以和原句不符。

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except后面是同类事物

我觉得根据上面的原则的话，except for更合适