RON 神对于比较省略的回答，有个问题望大家解惑~~

sunyuwei

下面是一个人问RON 关于比较省略的问题：（就是问他什么时候可以省略动词什么时候一定要补出）

Is the ONLY rule to decide whether helping verbs are needed is through context? Or can I say if there are NO OBJECT in the sentence, then I must include helping verb, as the examples sited below shown (and same rules apply in the above two examples?)

I eat faster than you (correct)

I eat apple faster than you do (correct)

I eat apple faster than you (incorrect).

RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况：（我的问题是下面的蓝字部分）

there are two instances in which a helping verb is needed:

1) change of tense (see the example above)

2) the sentence is ambiguous without the helping verb.

as far as #2, consider the following two sentences:

i can lift more weight than my brother

i know more about shakespeare than my brother

the second of these is incorrect, because it's ambiguous -- it could carry one of two meanings:

1) i know more about shakespeare than my brother knows about shakespeare

2) i know more about shakespeare than i know about my own brother

the first is not ambiguous in this way:

1) i can lift more weight than my brother can lift --> PROPERLY PARALLEL ("i" and "my brother" are parallel)

2) you can't construct a meaning that is like #2 above, since "weight" and "my brother" are not parallel constructions.（这里的结构不平行指的是逻辑含义上的不平行？还是概念上的？）

your final sentence -- "i can eat an apple faster than you" -- is actually ok, since it is like my latter example: there is no ambiguity, and there is also no change of tense.（只要时态上不改变就不用补出情态动词can 了吗？难道不会有eat you 的歧义？这和前面的brother和weight 的不平行有什么联系吗？此处也是不平行所以没有歧义？）

谢谢大家答疑啦~~~~

深高金的zkk

lordvictoryang 发表于 2018-10-4 00:33
RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况：（我的问题是下面的蓝字部分）
there are two instances in which a helpi ...

同问...
1.I run faster today than yesterday 这句话貌似是今天和昨天比较，但是这句话的原意应该是今天的run和昨天的run比较（不知道这样理解对不对）
2.I eat apple faster than you 这个为什么不正确呢？I和you比较不对嘛?

lordvictoryang

RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况：（我的问题是下面的蓝字部分）
there are two instances in which a helping verb is needed:
1) change of tense (see the example above)：
这个我有点疑问：I run faster today than yesterday不对吗？

Seppellire

曼哈顿语法里面有说，名次分为三类，一是concrete noun, 比如人、事件、时间、地点等，二是action noun
(比如eruption,pollution等等) 和 complex gerund phases（the tracking of satellites...这种），三是simple gerund phases  (比如tracking satellites...) 类别之内可以平行，跨类别了就不能平行~ 这里注意一下complex geround phases 和 simple gerund phases的区别~

elenaknight

是语意上的不平行吧，我觉得也可以算作是概念上的。Ron说的是不是weight和my brother不是同一个词性所以不能比较，只有我和my brother才能比较，所以没有歧义？我是这样理解的。
现实生活中应该不能eat you吧，所以从语义上来讲应该只能是你吃苹果的速度对比。

sunyuwei

没有人么~

sunyuwei

顶。。。。。