有关Insead定位，以及美国top b-school相比如何衡量？

yifeifan

想通过读书到国外工作和生活 。最近和一些外国朋友聊他们对学校的印象。美国人对欧洲商学院几乎不了解。令我惊讶的是我说起Insead 好多法国人都不知道！说他们最好的商学院是HEC..

有3个疑问，有没有哪位（校友，或者在欧美呆过的）能分享一下：
1. Insead在reputation, post-MBA salary等方面大概相当于美国 business school top **的水平? 在欧洲认可度很高吗
2. 如果想要留下工作，美国和欧洲相比哪边机会多？
3. Insead 2012 statistics average salary 85000欧元左右。真有这么高吗。。。那1年投资回报还是很不错的。如果中国人，corporate side，薪水情况如何呢？

看到一个帖子把 Insead和HBS相比，但我觉得Harward/Stanford/Warton从reputation, pay, network等看还是在欧洲商学院之上。甚至Kellog/Tuck也更好吧。个人之见，也欢迎拍砖。
http://forum.chasedream.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=885045&highlight=insead

catherinezm

juliewang417 发表于 2014-1-26 00:34
教学是差不多的, 我们有ACCOUNTING的老师从BOOTH过来的, 微观的老师从KELLOGG过来的, 现在在上的并购那门课 ...

Echo一下Julia姐姐说的年纪小去INSEAD吃亏的情况吧，这倒是真的，因为一年的项目要求学生在入学前已经有了较清晰的post-mba target而不是入学以后才开始摸索，一月开学的class貌似是没入学就开始准备summer的面试了

premierx

要留在当地工作攒些经验还是去美国：市场大，2年项目，OPT，都还算比较有利的因素

ESeraph

地板层的那篇文章很不错，赞！

hemodata

juliewang417 发表于 2014-1-26 00:34
教学是差不多的, 我们有ACCOUNTING的老师从BOOTH过来的, 微观的老师从KELLOGG过来的, 现在在上的并购那门课 ...

也有三年多四大就进insead的哦？好厉害的小孩

juliewang417

教学是差不多的, 我们有ACCOUNTING的老师从BOOTH过来的, 微观的老师从KELLOGG过来的, 现在在上的并购那门课的老师在LBS待了10年, CAREER SERVICES的一个老师是沃顿的.
INSEAD学生比较DIVERSIFIED一些, 用的案例更加INTERNATIONAL一些, 还有些课专门针对亚太的, 比如strategy in asia pacific （是个斯坦福本科加哈佛PHD教的）China Strategy等等，这些课程估计北美不会开.
我的原来的STUDY GROUP里有个巴西人锯了KELLOGG， BOOTH， 来了INSEAD， 不过他说最想去HARVARD，但是被HBS给WL了。。。INSEAD我们这一届中国人也有据了INSEAD去了BOOTH的，因为要转金融。还有据了TUCK， 据了KELLOGG，据了LBS来INSEAD的等等，都是个人选择罢了。

1. Insead在reputation, post-MBA salary等方面大概相当于美国 business school top **的水平? 在欧洲认可度很高吗
欧洲和亚太的认可度高, 美国不行，薪水自己去比较一下就知道了
2. 如果想要留下工作，美国和欧洲相比哪边机会多？
美国 no doubt
3. Insead 2012 statistics average salary 85000欧元左右。真有这么高吗。。。那1年投资回报还是很不错的。如果中国人，corporate side，薪水情况如何呢？
有啊， 去顶级咨询的都不止这个数字，好多NGO还会把平均数拉下来。。。中国人差异很大，因为大家来之前的经历差的很大，有人8年保洁，有人只有3年多四大，当然最后找的薪水也不一样，可能一个150K USD, 一个毕业时还没找到。  总体来说年龄小的来INSEAD会比较吃亏

cotish

转的
Yeah, I want to echo what is being said. I have spent a lot of time in both US and Europe and feel comfortable speaking about this. Let's assess this in terms of geographic reputation, industry reputation, and culture/vibe/student quality.

GEOGRAPHIC REPUTATION

In the US, there is a sort of "Harvard or Stanford" mentality.

In Europe, it's "INSEAD or Harvard".

I know it may be difficult for someone coming from the US to imagine that's the case, but that is how most people in Europe think. They're absolutely considered the two big frontrunners.

They are both very well regarded in Asia. HBS probably gets the brand equity edge because the parent institution "Harvard" is much more known.

INDUSTRY REPUTATION

They are both massive consulting feeders. INSEAD's nickname is McKInsead, and probably 1/6 people on campus at HBS either previously worked at McKinsey or will be headed there. Both have a large intake of sponsored MBB students and both put career-switching into MBB on a silver platter.

HBS is better for IB and Hedge Funds/Investment Management, globally, including Europe.

INSEAD is very strong in European PE, and HBS is strong in PE everywhere.

They are both obviously top schools for general management.

STUDENT VIBE/CULTURE ETC

A number of similarities and differences. The biggest similarities are that they are both "party schools", emphasize LEADERSHIP, and are not all that fussed about the GMAT (neither feel the need to "climb the rankings" because they're already at the top, and are quite willing to just check the box with the GMAT without really sweating over a 670 vs a 710 or a 750). They are both highly social atmospheres where a bunch of ultra competitive people try to get along as best as they can, and they live in a bubble from their surroundings. HBS students do some international travel, but INSEAD is structured to give you at least half a dozen chances to take proper long trips around the world.

One of the key differences I've seen is a cultural one of formality vs informality. HBS, as with most East Coast institutions, has a distinctly more crisp and formal feel to it, and in general, as with most East Coast Americans, they take themselves more seriously than Western Europeans do. I doubt you'd ever find anything even resembling the "Portrait Project" at INSEAD, and the administration probably dresses less formally and is more approachable/casual. No one in Europe feels the need to prove antiquity and continuity of tradition, whereas East Coast Americans are constantly blathering on about their personal and institutional heritage. If you aren't internationally versed, it will be hard for you to understand this, but there are clear differences across the pond and one of them is how seriously people take themselves. INSEAD alumni drop the suits pretty quickly. HBS is almost an in utero education for the C-Suite, Boardroom and elite invitation-only Club world.

One of the others has to do with the way in which these institutions are selective. HBS is extraordinarily selective, and its primary emphases are probably LEADERSHIP and GPA. The Harvard name draws a lot of applicants and the Admissions Office does its best to propagate the mythos that "anyone can get in." INSEAD, on the other hand, approaches selectivity very differently. In lieu of leadership and GPA, INSEAD focuses most strongly on INTERNATIONAL and CAREER PROGRESS. For the "international" they are very up front about it: "if you don't speak two languages fluently (including English) and aren't willing to learn a third, DON'T BOTHER." They aren't seeking revenue from 1,000 or 2,000 extra candidates who have no shot, and they are really clear about this point. The second is that they really want to see promotions on your resume - preferably plural. Business schools are a fairly risk averse business, and HBS seeks to reduce its risk through your brands and your academic performance, while INSEAD seeks to reduce its risk through your proven professional track record.

The other is what career track they want you to take as General Management schools. I think HBS loves the idea of you becoming a leading authority at a large, hopefully global institution. They want you to rock the institutionalized track. Conversely, it is rumored that they aren't all that excited about entrepreneurship. INSEAD has a huge soft spot for the entrepreneurial gene.

MONEY

This shouldn't be much of a concern. Making billions upon millions is up to you: both will set you up nicely for an upper middle class job straight out of business school. Cost of attendance isn't much of an issue either - HBS will provide funding for anyone they deem fit for the program (an amazing feature), and INSEAD automatically takes the lead in "opportunity cost" because it's a one year program that lets you get earning more quickly.

I hope this helps.

DISCLAIMER and CONCLUSIONS: admitted at INSEAD, didn't apply to HBS, and I think I'll be attending another school. I don't think you can go wrong with either, as they represent the very top of the business school hierarchy. I've met plenty of alumni from both who said "I only applied to 1/2/3 schools" and "I chose X over the other". I personally think HBS is probably the more "complete" of the two and gives you more bragging rights at cocktail parties. INSEAD nevertheless plugs you into an international elite quite quickly, which isn't a bad bet in the 21st century. Think about what matters to you.

uscam

哥们Harvard拼对了先

guci

我也挺困惑的。我之前忘了看到哪个帖子，我觉得他说得挺有道理的。帖子里说，其实很多地方都有地域性，如果你想过美国的生活，在美国工作，就到美国学习，他们对自己国家的商校认可度高，而美国的工作压力比较大，当然工资也相对更高，也更有上升空间。如果你想在欧洲发展，不要求太高的工资，工作的同时享受生活，那就到欧洲上学。两者未来的定位不同，所以真的没办法比较。而楼主说到insead，我个人认为，为期十个月的学习，其实真的好像镀金一样，学完也不见得真的有收获多少。听说国内不怎么认可一年的商校。当然了，这只是我个人之见。insead好处也是有的，他在新加坡还有一个校区，如果想在亚洲发展，可以申请转过来学习。比较方便。