请教GWD和prep上的两个问题

媛子大人

1. GWD21-Q1:

According to analysts, an alliance between three major personal computer companies and most of the nation’s largest local telephone companies would enable customers to receive internet data over regular telephone lines with speeds much higher than is currently possible.

A.with speeds much higher than is

B.with speeds that are much higher than are

C.at much higher speeds as are

D.at much higher speeds than that

E.at speeds much higher than are（E）

问题1、补出原句后再省略和答案不一样：
    有NN说，E的原句是：at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds that are currently possible。我觉得第一个that are后面都是speeds的定从，第二个that are是第二个speeds的定语，两个都可省，即at speeds much higher than speeds currently possible。然后speeds又一样，省略，结果就是at speeds much higher than currently possible，但E中多了个are。不太明白这是为什么，是我省略有问题么？想请教下大家
问题2、 D选项中at much higher speeds 和E中at speeds much higher than 有差别么？能不能补出原句让我看下？谢谢大家！

OG251. The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's. .

A.extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than

B.extinction; its numbers are now five times more than

C.extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were

D.extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had（A）

E.extinction, now with numbers five times greater than

请问E中这个with做的是伴随状语吗？因为解析说 the phrase confusingly seems to parallel with extinction我就不明白了，什么是parallel... 还有now的用法正确么？本来now是和when..做比较的，现在提到句首来我觉得从句意上理解仍旧是比较哇~

以上就是偶的问题～提前谢过大家啦～Y(^_^)Y

以上就是偶的问题～提前谢过大家啦～Y(^_^)Y

xingzhi

yiqing2012 发表于 2012-11-20 21:38
yingqi2012~1、我在elroy斑竹的笔记里看到这么一句：状语比较：  A do sth than usual/ever before ...

　22. (25727-!-item-!-188;#058&002127)

　　The company announced that its profits declined much less in the second quarter than analysts had expected and that its business would improve in the second half of the year.

xingzhi

yiqing2012 发表于 2012-11-20 21:38
yingqi2012~1、我在elroy斑竹的笔记里看到这么一句：状语比较：  A do sth than usual/ever before ...

GWD7-Q32:

　　A surge in new home sales and a drop in weekly unemployment claims suggest that the economy might not be as weak as (the economy) some analysts previously thought (to be).

PoitsonRann

第一题还是不明白。不补those我不服  比较的就是speeds怎么能省略？
有同学提问：oil prices in 2009 were higher than in 1990
Ron: nonsense 因为比较的oil prices 所以后面必须出现oil prices

apemou

MiaZhang 发表于 2012-11-19 09:42
第一个题目好阴险，我昨天也做错了，今天恰巧在总结According to analysts, an alliance between three maj ...

同意！               

MiaZhang

at speeds (that are) much higher ...
much higher是speeds的修饰成分，作定语，限定作用

abjure

问题太多，先讨论第一个问题。

我觉得如果按LZ说的省略的话，前面speeds 后的应该是 would be much higher. 后面才是are. 所以than 后面are 不能省略，强调时态不同。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 9:50:43)

同学你说的很在理诶，因为时态不同这个are不能省。但是照理说，前面补出后，speeds that would be much higher..这里也不能省略啊

二楼的同学给了个例子：
类似的，prices are higher than we expected.
--> prices are higher than (prices that) we expected
省略了prices that，直接保留后面的动词

为啥他省略前面保留后面啊？

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/19 12:52:51)

想了一下，at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds that are currently possible。应该是正确的还原。
在时态，谓语都一致的情况下，省略掉重复，但又保留基本语义后，就是E了，are 不能省，省略后比较结构的前后都会缺少主要成分可能会引起歧义。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 14:37:57)

没见过Kiwifoodtown这样的省略。一般比较省略也是省略比较的第二部分，及than后面部分成分。
同意MIA 的二楼解释。
Pls find out RON justification as below.
http://www.beatthegmat.com/nic-1-major-computer-companies-t41233.html

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/21 22:15:50)

abjure，你是怎么看这个比较的呢？是主语比较吗？
我看了ron的回答，不过他没有对这个问题深入下去（或许真的如ron所说，在未确认此题来源之前根本没有深究的必要。。。），所以还是有疑问~
ron的补充应该和Mia是一样的：speeds much higher than （speeds that） are currently possible
这里应该是比较speeds，那么在这个比较结构中speeds到底充当着什么成分？我觉得kiwi前面的补充是对的：at speeds (that are) much higher ...即引导一个新的从句来进行比较结构。否则这后面一长串的much higher than...充当什么成分？宾补吗？

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/21 23:29:03)

美女，为什么每次你的问题都让我这么纠结，估计还是我功力不到家。。花了两个多小时，我把所有prep和OG的有“than”的句子都挑出来看了一遍。
我中学英语没学好，对什么宾补的规则不清楚。

这题我的理由
（1）这道题按照 Kiwifoodtown这样的补出，首先就很wordy， 根据manhatton (VAN 消灭 clause "be") ,我就觉得怪怪的，不信你把所有Kiwifoodtown补上的东西放在句子里读一遍，肯定觉得乖乖的。
（2）我们把这提结构提炼下    S+V+ (noun1) higher than Noun2 "that are....",  
noun1=noun2 =speed
假如NOUN2需要限定修饰“that are...” 来体现NOUN1 和noun2的不同， 完全合理啊。
最后作者觉得因为noun1 和 noun2 是同一个词， 就把 noun2 和that 一起省略了 。



我copy 一道prep上面提供你参考把。巨长4 pages

218. (GWD7-Q4)Only seven people thiscentury have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—lessthan those killed by bee stings.
A.movies—less than those
B.movies—fewer than have been
C.movies, which is less than those
D.movies, a number lowerthan the people      (B)
E.movies, fewer than the ones
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/can-somebody-help-me-out-with-this-question-t4278-30.html
结论：
- fewer than (..the number of people who..) have been killed by bee stings.
in the bracket (the number of people who) has been left out as it is understood.

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/22 21:06:37)

天。。。我一直以为than后省略的是pl...而且为了这个结构我上CNKI查了很多论文，上面也明确指出了这种than/as兼做代词的结构。。。但是native的解释居然是省略了the number of pl！又有一种颠覆了世界观和人生观的感觉，容我好好想想。。。anyway, 辛苦了~~非常感谢~~

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/22 23:42:03)

你细心，我看的时候都没有注意这个。

说明你以前的世界观和人生观非常不正确。

yiqing2012

问题太多，先讨论第一个问题。

我觉得如果按LZ说的省略的话，前面speeds 后的应该是 would be much higher. 后面才是are. 所以than 后面are 不能省略，强调时态不同。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 9:50:43)

同学你说的很在理诶，因为时态不同这个are不能省。但是照理说，前面补出后，speeds that would be much higher..这里也不能省略啊

二楼的同学给了个例子：
类似的，prices are higher than we expected.
--> prices are higher than (prices that) we expected
省略了prices that，直接保留后面的动词

为啥他省略前面保留后面啊？

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/19 12:52:51)

想了一下，at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds that are currently possible。应该是正确的还原。
在时态，谓语都一致的情况下，省略掉重复，但又保留基本语义后，就是E了，are 不能省，省略后比较结构的前后都会缺少主要成分可能会引起歧义。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 14:37:57)

没见过Kiwifoodtown这样的省略。一般比较省略也是省略比较的第二部分，及than后面部分成分。
同意MIA 的二楼解释。
Pls find out RON justification as below.
http://www.beatthegmat.com/nic-1-major-computer-companies-t41233.html

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/21 22:15:50)

abjure，你是怎么看这个比较的呢？是主语比较吗？
我看了ron的回答，不过他没有对这个问题深入下去（或许真的如ron所说，在未确认此题来源之前根本没有深究的必要。。。），所以还是有疑问~
ron的补充应该和Mia是一样的：speeds much higher than （speeds that） are currently possible
这里应该是比较speeds，那么在这个比较结构中speeds到底充当着什么成分？我觉得kiwi前面的补充是对的：at speeds (that are) much higher ...即引导一个新的从句来进行比较结构。否则这后面一长串的much higher than...充当什么成分？宾补吗？

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/21 23:29:03)

美女，为什么每次你的问题都让我这么纠结，估计还是我功力不到家。。花了两个多小时，我把所有prep和OG的有“than”的句子都挑出来看了一遍。
我中学英语没学好，对什么宾补的规则不清楚。

这题我的理由
（1）这道题按照 Kiwifoodtown这样的补出，首先就很wordy， 根据manhatton (VAN 消灭 clause "be") ,我就觉得怪怪的，不信你把所有Kiwifoodtown补上的东西放在句子里读一遍，肯定觉得乖乖的。
（2）我们把这提结构提炼下    S+V+ (noun1) higher than Noun2 "that are....",  
noun1=noun2 =speed
假如NOUN2需要限定修饰“that are...” 来体现NOUN1 和noun2的不同， 完全合理啊。
最后作者觉得因为noun1 和 noun2 是同一个词， 就把 noun2 和that 一起省略了 。



我copy 一道prep上面提供你参考把。巨长4 pages

218. (GWD7-Q4)Only seven people thiscentury have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—lessthan those killed by bee stings.
A.movies—less than those
B.movies—fewer than have been
C.movies, which is less than those
D.movies, a number lowerthan the people      (B)
E.movies, fewer than the ones
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/can-somebody-help-me-out-with-this-question-t4278-30.html
结论：
- fewer than (..the number of people who..) have been killed by bee stings.
in the bracket (the number of people who) has been left out as it is understood.

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/22 21:06:37)

天。。。我一直以为than后省略的是pl...而且为了这个结构我上CNKI查了很多论文，上面也明确指出了这种than/as兼做代词的结构。。。但是native的解释居然是省略了the number of pl！又有一种颠覆了世界观和人生观的感觉，容我好好想想。。。anyway, 辛苦了~~非常感谢~~

abjure

问题太多，先讨论第一个问题。

我觉得如果按LZ说的省略的话，前面speeds 后的应该是 would be much higher. 后面才是are. 所以than 后面are 不能省略，强调时态不同。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 9:50:43)

同学你说的很在理诶，因为时态不同这个are不能省。但是照理说，前面补出后，speeds that would be much higher..这里也不能省略啊

二楼的同学给了个例子：
类似的，prices are higher than we expected.
--> prices are higher than (prices that) we expected
省略了prices that，直接保留后面的动词

为啥他省略前面保留后面啊？

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/19 12:52:51)

想了一下，at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds that are currently possible。应该是正确的还原。
在时态，谓语都一致的情况下，省略掉重复，但又保留基本语义后，就是E了，are 不能省，省略后比较结构的前后都会缺少主要成分可能会引起歧义。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 14:37:57)

没见过Kiwifoodtown这样的省略。一般比较省略也是省略比较的第二部分，及than后面部分成分。
同意MIA 的二楼解释。
Pls find out RON justification as below.
http://www.beatthegmat.com/nic-1-major-computer-companies-t41233.html

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/21 22:15:50)

abjure，你是怎么看这个比较的呢？是主语比较吗？
我看了ron的回答，不过他没有对这个问题深入下去（或许真的如ron所说，在未确认此题来源之前根本没有深究的必要。。。），所以还是有疑问~
ron的补充应该和Mia是一样的：speeds much higher than （speeds that） are currently possible
这里应该是比较speeds，那么在这个比较结构中speeds到底充当着什么成分？我觉得kiwi前面的补充是对的：at speeds (that are) much higher ...即引导一个新的从句来进行比较结构。否则这后面一长串的much higher than...充当什么成分？宾补吗？

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/21 23:29:03)

美女，为什么每次你的问题都让我这么纠结，估计还是我功力不到家。。花了两个多小时，我把所有prep和OG的有“than”的句子都挑出来看了一遍。
我中学英语没学好，对什么宾补的规则不清楚。

这题我的理由
（1）这道题按照 Kiwifoodtown这样的补出，首先就很wordy， 根据manhatton (VAN 消灭 clause "be") ,我就觉得怪怪的，不信你把所有Kiwifoodtown补上的东西放在句子里读一遍，肯定觉得乖乖的。
（2）我们把这提结构提炼下    S+V+ (noun1) higher than Noun2 "that are....",  
noun1=noun2 =speed
假如NOUN2需要限定修饰“that are...” 来体现NOUN1 和noun2的不同， 完全合理啊。
最后作者觉得因为noun1 和 noun2 是同一个词， 就把 noun2 和that 一起省略了 。



我copy 一道prep上面提供你参考把。巨长4 pages

218. (GWD7-Q4)Only seven people thiscentury have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—lessthan those killed by bee stings.
A.    movies—less than those
B.    movies—fewer than have been
C.    movies, which is less than those
D.     movies, a number lowerthan the people      (B)
E.    movies, fewer than the ones
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/can-somebody-help-me-out-with-this-question-t4278-30.html
结论：
- fewer than (..the number of people who..) have been killed by bee stings.
in the bracket (the number of people who) has been left out as it is understood.

yiqing2012

问题太多，先讨论第一个问题。

我觉得如果按LZ说的省略的话，前面speeds 后的应该是 would be much higher. 后面才是are. 所以than 后面are 不能省略，强调时态不同。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 9:50:43)

同学你说的很在理诶，因为时态不同这个are不能省。但是照理说，前面补出后，speeds that would be much higher..这里也不能省略啊

二楼的同学给了个例子：
类似的，prices are higher than we expected.
--> prices are higher than (prices that) we expected
省略了prices that，直接保留后面的动词

为啥他省略前面保留后面啊？

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/19 12:52:51)

想了一下，at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds that are currently possible。应该是正确的还原。
在时态，谓语都一致的情况下，省略掉重复，但又保留基本语义后，就是E了，are 不能省，省略后比较结构的前后都会缺少主要成分可能会引起歧义。

-- by 会员 kiwifoodtown (2012/11/19 14:37:57)

没见过Kiwifoodtown这样的省略。一般比较省略也是省略比较的第二部分，及than后面部分成分。
同意MIA 的二楼解释。
Pls find out RON justification as below.
http://www.beatthegmat.com/nic-1-major-computer-companies-t41233.html

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/21 22:15:50)

abjure，你是怎么看这个比较的呢？是主语比较吗？
我看了ron的回答，不过他没有对这个问题深入下去（或许真的如ron所说，在未确认此题来源之前根本没有深究的必要。。。），所以还是有疑问~
ron的补充应该和Mia是一样的：speeds much higher than （speeds that） are currently possible
这里应该是比较speeds，那么在这个比较结构中speeds到底充当着什么成分？我觉得kiwi前面的补充是对的：at speeds (that are) much higher ...即引导一个新的从句来进行比较结构。否则这后面一长串的much higher than...充当什么成分？宾补吗？