og12 sc 第三题 两个小问题，麻烦nn拔刀相助~

bob9603

Although various eighteenth- and nineteenth-century
American poets had professed an interest in Native
American poetry and had pretended to imitate Native
American forms in their own works, until almost 1900,
scholars and critics did not begin seriously to study
traditional Native American poetry in native
languages.

(A) until almost 1900, scholars and critics did not
begin seriously to study
(B) until almost 1900 scholars and critics had not
begun seriously studying
(C) not until almost 1900 were scholars and critics
to begin seriously to study
(D) it was not almost until 1900 when scholars and
critics began to seriously study
(E) it was not until almost 1900 that scholars and
critics seriously began studying


小菜想问一下关于C和D中的修饰问题
1，to begin seriously to study， 这个东东为什么是wordy的？
2，until almost 1900 和almost until 1900有区别吗？

还有一点想确认一下，这里的serious，在ABCD中都应该是歧义的吧，因为它既可以向前修饰，又可以向后修饰~求确认

bob9603

小菜总结一下自己的理解：

原句的意思是说“In 1990, they began to study ....”，这里面没有“to begin”的意思，而“to begin”相当于“will”的感觉，这与原句的意思有差别，所以是错误的~

附上链接：http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-706021-2-1.html

bob9603

一下是我学习了一下baby姐以前帖子的某一段话，自己开始没懂，现在明白了，所以粘出来~

from baby姐：

C还有另一个问题哦：
(C) not until almost 1900 were scholars and critics to begin seriously to study
把倒装还原成正常语序吧，就能看出来了：
In 1990, Scholars and critics were to begin to study ....
（以上为了简化，把adverb都去掉, "almost 1990"就假设是1990哈）
这句话逻辑上有问题哦，发现了吗？

如果我今天(April 21, 2012)说：
I am to apply to MBA.
相当于: I will apply to MBA (some time in the near future). 但问题是，谁也不知道我到底什么时候apply. 我并没有说。
仅仅是在今天（April 21, 2012）我告诉你们我对于未来的plan.

那咱回头看原句：
In 1990, Scholars and critics were to begin to study ....
这句子并没有说when did they begin to study!

而原句的意思是（忽略almost）：In 1990, they began to study ....

所以，就算是咱能接受C那样的倒装，那也该写成这样：
Not until almost 1990 did scholars and critics begin ...

bob9603

这里的serious，在ABCD中都应该是歧义的吧，因为它既可以向前修饰，又可以向后修饰
我也这么看 同意 楼主的看法
帮顶

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/2 23:35:58)

有空看下http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-706021-2-1.html~13楼，就是baby姐说的关于to do  的问题，我给你短信了在cd上，你有空看下~3q

bob9603

since 有可以有两个意思
1、自从某个时间点 到现在。
2、因为...

但是 because 解释，因为，只有一个意思。
但是 since 解释 因为，本身没有错。
所以如果，在 since 和 because 没有语法错误的前提下，
优先选择 because 吧。个人理解~

搜到一个关于 since vs. because 的帖子。Manhattan staff 的回复：
Although lots of people use "since" to mean "because" in common language today, that's not the original / "official" meaning of the word. Since means "from the time that" or "between then and now" or something along those lines - so the guest poster is right that we should use "since" when we're talking about a period of time and "because" when we're talking about cause and effect. Don't use "since" (on the GMAT) to mean "because."

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/since-vs-because-t3206.html


ps:为什么不是 RonPurewol 的回复呢，每次解释都很犀利，让人信服，比较靠得住啊~

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/5 17:29:49)

ok~！！！谢谢啦小哥，by the way, ron的却是很给力，我也看过他很多回复，感觉看完就有进步~~可惜那时很久以前的事情鸟~~

-- by 会员 bob9603 (2012/7/5 17:43:16)

不客气啊~ 我也有不懂的，下次也要来帮我哈。同感同感，ron给题目解释，还顺带把知识点，全部整理出来~~非常犀利呀，Manhattan没有他，缩水80%

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/5 23:00:27)

没问题，一起学习哈~

abc88

since 有可以有两个意思
1、自从某个时间点 到现在。
2、因为...

但是 because 解释，因为，只有一个意思。
但是 since 解释 因为，本身没有错。
所以如果，在 since 和 because 没有语法错误的前提下，
优先选择 because 吧。个人理解~

搜到一个关于 since vs. because 的帖子。Manhattan staff 的回复：
Although lots of people use "since" to mean "because" in common language today, that's not the original / "official" meaning of the word. Since means "from the time that" or "between then and now" or something along those lines - so the guest poster is right that we should use "since" when we're talking about a period of time and "because" when we're talking about cause and effect. Don't use "since" (on the GMAT) to mean "because."

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/since-vs-because-t3206.html


ps:为什么不是 RonPurewol 的回复呢，每次解释都很犀利，让人信服，比较靠得住啊~

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/5 17:29:49)

ok~！！！谢谢啦小哥，by the way, ron的却是很给力，我也看过他很多回复，感觉看完就有进步~~可惜那时很久以前的事情鸟~~

-- by 会员 bob9603 (2012/7/5 17:43:16)

不客气啊~ 我也有不懂的，下次也要来帮我哈。同感同感，ron给题目解释，还顺带把知识点，全部整理出来~~非常犀利呀，Manhattan没有他，缩水80%

bob9603

since 有可以有两个意思
1、自从某个时间点 到现在。
2、因为...

但是 because 解释，因为，只有一个意思。
但是 since 解释 因为，本身没有错。
所以如果，在 since 和 because 没有语法错误的前提下，
优先选择 because 吧。个人理解~

搜到一个关于 since vs. because 的帖子。Manhattan staff 的回复：
Although lots of people use "since" to mean "because" in common language today, that's not the original / "official" meaning of the word. Since means "from the time that" or "between then and now" or something along those lines - so the guest poster is right that we should use "since" when we're talking about a period of time and "because" when we're talking about cause and effect. Don't use "since" (on the GMAT) to mean "because."

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/since-vs-because-t3206.html


ps:为什么不是 RonPurewol 的回复呢，每次解释都很犀利，让人信服，比较靠得住啊~

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/5 17:29:49)

ok~！！！谢谢啦小哥，by the way, ron的却是很给力，我也看过他很多回复，感觉看完就有进步~~可惜那时很久以前的事情鸟~~

abc88

since 有可以有两个意思
1、自从某个时间点 到现在。
2、因为...

但是 because 解释，因为，只有一个意思。
但是 since 解释 因为，本身没有错。
所以如果，在 since 和 because 没有语法错误的前提下，
优先选择 because 吧。个人理解~

搜到一个关于 since vs. because 的帖子。Manhattan staff 的回复：
Although lots of people use "since" to mean "because" in common language today, that's not the original / "official" meaning of the word. Since means "from the time that" or "between then and now" or something along those lines - so the guest poster is right that we should use "since" when we're talking about a period of time and "because" when we're talking about cause and effect. Don't use "since" (on the GMAT) to mean "because."

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/since-vs-because-t3206.html


ps:为什么不是 RonPurewol 的回复呢，每次解释都很犀利，让人信服，比较靠得住啊~

bob9603

不客气哈，都是语法书上的东东。。我只是负责贴一下啦。不知道哪位大侠还有木有 更犀利的 解释~

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/3 18:01:49)

小哥，看到你的回复好开心，我还有个问题想问一下：在原句中，如果用了because，那带有since的选项就不对，og上说是缺少因果关系，可是since不是有“因为”的意思吗，虽然每次看到because就不理since，但不知道为什么，麻烦小哥指点一下~~~

-- by 会员 bob9603 (2012/7/4 20:26:23)

我觉得since 是 有because 的意思。字典上是有 因为 的意思的。没有错呢。那道题目 因为 because of 后面跟了一大堆的东西。但是一般 because of 后面只跟名词短语。所以可能是 wordy.
一般都会改成 because + 句子。
这个刘振明那书上确切有写过，所以肯定。
because + 完整主谓结构的句子 。这个是对的 。做过好几道这样的题目。
I did not go outside because it is raining.

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/5 3:32:32)

是这样的小哥，这个问题不是针对你回答的那个“淘金”的题，我其实想说的是og12 sc的第一题（不知道你手边有米有，有的话可以看下）我给你粘出来吧：
The Glass House Mountains in Queensland, Australia,
were sighted in 1770 by the English navigator Captain
James Cook, by whom they were named supposedly
because its sheer wet rocks glistened like glass.


(A) by whom they were named supposedly
because its
(B) by whom they were named supposedly and their
(C) naming them supposedly since their
(D) who so named them supposedly because their
(E) who so named it since supposedly their



我的意思是说把“被动和代词这类的问题先不考虑的话，从语义上讲，because和since有什么区别~~”，so，麻烦小哥你有空再帮我看下啦，谢谢啦

abc88

不客气哈，都是语法书上的东东。。我只是负责贴一下啦。不知道哪位大侠还有木有 更犀利的 解释~

-- by 会员 abc88 (2012/7/3 18:01:49)

小哥，看到你的回复好开心，我还有个问题想问一下：在原句中，如果用了because，那带有since的选项就不对，og上说是缺少因果关系，可是since不是有“因为”的意思吗，虽然每次看到because就不理since，但不知道为什么，麻烦小哥指点一下~~~

-- by 会员 bob9603 (2012/7/4 20:26:23)

我觉得since 是 有because 的意思。字典上是有 因为 的意思的。没有错呢。那道题目 因为 because of 后面跟了一大堆的东西。但是一般 because of 后面只跟名词短语。所以可能是 wordy.
一般都会改成 because + 句子。
这个刘振明那书上确切有写过，所以肯定。
because + 完整主谓结构的句子 。这个是对的 。做过好几道这样的题目。
I did not go outside because it is raining.