Except VS Except for (它们有区别吗？)

Zacky

第一次发帖，请多指教。

在og上看到毛里求斯是英国殖民地那一题。og说，excepting for is non-idiomatic


我想问一下，except for 是真的不正确的习惯用法么？
e.g. except for newscasts, I hardly watch any television at all. (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary)


如果只是因为使用场合不同，那么我们要怎么区分呢？


谢谢大家。

ciciyo

love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-7 11:05
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, but except in the domains of administration a ...

”比如这个例子里，except 后面是 in the domain 吧， 那应该和 on the islande 是同类事物，不是和主语吧，“

我觉得这个in the domain不是和on he island同类的，这句话的意思是说: M是a British colony，但people didn't speak English in any domains except in that("the domains" can be understood) of administration and teaching，所以排除的是在人们在生活中不说英语的domains, 即administration and teaching这两个方面，而这两方面都包含在众多domains里面~~

不知道这样说对不对哈~~

同时我也想问有没有人可以贴出关于比较except和except for的差异性的例句呢~~谢谢~

solde

5楼正解啊！

love凤巢

yvonnexie125 发表于 2013-4-6 23:57
except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；

Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, but except in the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.
你说except后面跟的是同类事物，是指except后面的名词和主句的主语是同类事物吗？还是和哪个成分是同类事物？比如这个例子里，except 后面是 in the domain 吧， 那应该和 on the islande 是同类事物，不是和主语吧，所以我对except后面跟同类事物这句话不是很理解，究竟是“谁和谁"同类呢？你的理解呢？

yvonnexie125

love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 16:38
这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下：
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的，所以和原句不符。

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except后面是同类事物

我觉得根据上面的原则的话，except for更合适

love凤巢

yvonnexie125 发表于 2013-4-6 15:52
你选的是哪一个呢？

这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下：
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的，所以和原句不符。
Dexcepting 只能跟在否定句后面
E.with the exception of 不符合表达习惯。
我想问的就是：
OG说 excepting for is non-idiomatic, 但是except for 还是可以的吧？
至于except 和except for 的区别大不大， 比如这道题中A选项中的except for 变成except 是否可以，或者说哪个更好呢？求指教！谢谢！

yvonnexie125

love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 12:11
Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime ...

你选的是哪一个呢？

love凤巢

yvonnexie125 发表于 2012-3-12 02:42
The example is helpfｕｌ！！

Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged（A）

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

敢问此题为何选A呢？求指导！

果果henan

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中，一般不区别except 和except for，两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别：

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如：
everyone helped，not excepting him。
all  were there，not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911，Scott Joplin's ragtime opera＂Treemonisha＂was not produced　until 1972，sixty-one years after its completion．
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.（A）
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先，句子中需要一个转折，因此用BUT,
其次，C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配

-- by 会员 paradisezxh (2012/5/21 19:04:49)

多谢啊，懂了

paradisezxh

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物；
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中，一般不区别except 和except for，两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别：

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如：
everyone helped，not excepting him。
all  were there，not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911，Scott Joplin's ragtime opera＂Treemonisha＂was not produced　until 1972，sixty-one years after its completion．
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.（A）
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先，句子中需要一个转折，因此用BUT,
其次，C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配