报2个offer: UNC w/o $ vs Rice w/75% fellowship (没折了，请教大家)

dingxiang

小女不才， 每天潜水看到大牛们报offer，自己只有临渊羡鱼的份。 未曾想到，近日收到2个offer， 实在是受宠若惊，却又纠结如何选择， 望各位达人为小女解惑~~~
本人背景：
G 730, T110.
WE：6yr
行业： 化工/建筑工程/项目管理
毕业后目标：原行业的supply chain/finance
UNC: R2 . interviewed by alumni at SH
Rice: R2 . telephone interview by 2yr student.
（面试经历都比较的normal， 没有被问到特别challenging的问题，就不多赘述了。）

实在是不知道该怎么做决定。虽然UNC去年就业数据看上去还不如rice，但毕竟UNC怎么说也算BW上面tier 1的学校， 即使要贷款背债， 但想必2年的学习经历会比rice丰富很多吧？
可是另外一方面， rice在能源，化工领域的人脉是不言而喻的。 而且我投他家更看重他在休斯顿，休斯顿拥有众多目标公司。即使我去了UNC， 肯定也会往德州跑。

额， 牛牛们， 你们说呢？

baystars

combining money, reputation and LZ's future goal, Rice is a no-brainer choice. It's a decent private school with good reputation in south, especially in TX. I don't think UNC is good enough to oversee that 75% scholarship or give any greater potential, just potential, future career development.

verilog2009

UNC is a state college, which MBA program ranked very high among public schools. But it's not considered one of the "elite" schools. (I'm sorry to say that.)

So the top 20 rank would not give UNC a big advantage over Rice, which by the way, is a private school.

UNC and Rice are both considered regional influencial in the US. So the location factor comes in play. I currently live in North Carolina, which has 7 million population state wide, not comparable with the population of metro Houston, the 4th largest metropolis of the US.

LZ knows well about Houston's location advantage in her industry. While North Carolina also has employment opportunities from banking industry in Charlotte and high-tech companies in RTP, only miles away from UNC (Lenovo US headquarter is located here), UNC MBAs face a strong competitor next door - Duke. Rice is the king in Houston though.

Seeking employment, you always have more advantage with your old background. Houston and Rice sound like better plays for you.

If Rice can't guarantee you a job with big US energy companies because of your visa status, neither can UNC. So this factor canceled itself. If you think deep, it actually becomes a more basic question: should you come to the US for an MBA at this time. I think LZ has already determined on that.

With 75% fellowship, Rice helped you decide: it's almost a free ride! Your ROI is a lot higher with Rice.

Just my humble 2 cents.

-- by 会员 Royluo23 (2010/3/10 5:55:51)

学校的综合排名只是一方面，我觉得主要还是看MBA的名气，在这方面，UNC高出Rice不止一个级别。
再说，UNC的综合（本科）排名也不比Rice差太多。Rice 17， UNC 28。
UNC的B-School我认为算是National 级别的。
Duke的就业地理区域是相当分散的，比大多数Top学校都要分散得多，虽然RTP附近很多大公司，但留在北卡附近就业的并不多，所以应该不会因为UNC很近就对UNC就业有太大冲击。
当然，如果经济条件比较紧张，Rice也是不错的选择。不过LZ应该申请UTA好了，可能更适合。

biantaishabi

Houston的那些石油巨头，比如ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhilips， 都是不要外国人的。目前还欠着美国政府钱的银行，比如Citi, BOA, AMEX，现在也不要外国人。可能不论UNC还是RICE都不能帮助楼主进入美国的Energy。小公司方面，Houston肯定占优势，本身就是大城市啊，所以今年Rice得就业率比较好。

至于有钱没钱，我认为应该向前看。今天我们觉得这是很大一笔钱，可能过几年就会觉这些钱也不算很多了。我和我老板谈这件事的时候，我老板说千万不能给自己的Education打折，而且这可能是我们这辈子最后一次学校教育。

Vote for UNC

-- by 会员 Yunjie (2010/2/24 15:59:08)

说这些石油公司不要外国人可能绝对了一些， 我认识的exxon里面在休斯顿的中国人台湾人都一大把（毕业以后在休斯顿招的， 不是transfer过去的）

twang1981

我是和lz一样得处境，可是最后选择了RICE

Royluo23

(Also, UNC's Tar Heels are 10x times better than Duke's Blue Devils in NCAA!!!!!!)

-- by 会员 doctortt (2010/3/10 11:46:41)

I don't know about that... UNC just lost to Duke last month.

But it's part of history that MJ is from UNC. And he is a bigger brand than UNC.

If lz chooses UNC, the soundest remark she can make about her school to people in China: Michael Jordan.
People who don't know about UNC should know MJ.

Lz might as well switch to sports management in UNC. That will be more marketable if she returns to China.

J/k

逸水

I got you point. But the audience I checked is not only 'people' in US.  I was trying to make a point that the KF MBA program will broaden LZ's future career opportunities.

i think UNC is not a 'state school'. Checked with several Amerians. they all say: everyone knows UNC and it's a very strong brand in US.

-- by 会员 逸水 (2010/3/10 11:44:56)

Yes, UNC is a state, public institution, very reputable in the US (in terms of the undergraduate program and the history of US)

(Also, UNC's Tar Heels are 10x times better than Duke's Blue Devils in NCAA!!!!!!)

-- by 会员 doctortt (2010/3/10 11:46:41)

doctortt

i think UNC is not a 'state school'. Checked with several Amerians. they all say: everyone knows UNC and it's a very strong brand in US.

-- by 会员 逸水 (2010/3/10 11:44:56)

Yes, UNC is a state, public institution, very reputable in the US (in terms of the undergraduate program and the history of US)

(Also, UNC's Tar Heels are 10x times better than Duke's Blue Devils in NCAA!!!!!!)

逸水

i think UNC is not a 'state school'. Checked with several Amerians. they all say: everyone knows UNC and it's a very strong brand in US.

doctortt

UNC is a state college, which MBA program ranked very high among public schools. But it's not considered one of the "elite" schools. (I'm sorry to say that.)

So the top 20 rank would not give UNC a big advantage over Rice, which by the way, is a private school.

UNC and Rice are both considered regional influencial in the US. So the location factor comes in play. I currently live in North Carolina, which has 7 million population state wide, not comparable with the population of metro Houston, the 4th largest metropolis of the US.

LZ knows well about Houston's location advantage in her industry. While North Carolina also has employment opportunities from banking industry in Charlotte and high-tech companies in RTP, only miles away from UNC (Lenovo US headquarter is located here), UNC MBAs face a strong competitor next door - Duke. Rice is the king in Houston though.

Seeking employment, you always have more advantage with your old background. Houston and Rice sound like better plays for you.

If Rice can't guarantee you a job with big US energy companies because of your visa status, neither can UNC. So this factor canceled itself. If you think deep, it actually becomes a more basic question: should you come to the US for an MBA at this time. I think LZ has already determined on that.

With 75% fellowship, Rice helped you decide: it's almost a free ride! Your ROI is a lot higher with Rice.

Just my humble 2 cents.

-- by 会员 Royluo23 (2010/3/10 5:55:51)

Agree