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槐阿米 · 发表于 2012-8-1 12:01:34

OG43
Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only fourmillion, and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

我选了D，OG解释说因为D选项的and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos lives in inaccessible place.
因为D里的and在划线部分，也不能确定句子原来的重心是想把这两个分句设为主从关系，而不是并列关系啊？？？？？？？？

很多类似句子重心转移的题都把握不好，不知道怎么确定分句间的关系..............捉急中！！！求各位NN和斑斑指点一二呀！！！

zhengjiahan · 发表于 2012-8-1 14:34:21

OG43
Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only fourmillion, and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

我选了D，OG解释说因为D选项的and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos lives in inaccessible place.
因为D里的and在划线部分，也不能确定句子原来的重心是想把这两个分句设为主从关系，而不是并列关系啊？？？？？？？？

很多类似句子重心转移的题都把握不好，不知道怎么确定分句间的关系..............捉急中！！！求各位NN和斑斑指点一二呀！！！

-- by 会员槐阿米 (2012/8/1 12:01:34)

和这道题好像。。。可以瞅瞅
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-743197-1-1.html

我觉得还是从句意理解吧。。

槐阿米 · 发表于 2012-8-1 18:19:01

OG43
Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only fourmillion, and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

我选了D，OG解释说因为D选项的and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos lives in inaccessible place.
因为D里的and在划线部分，也不能确定句子原来的重心是想把这两个分句设为主从关系，而不是并列关系啊？？？？？？？？

很多类似句子重心转移的题都把握不好，不知道怎么确定分句间的关系..............捉急中！！！求各位NN和斑斑指点一二呀！！！

-- by 会员槐阿米 (2012/8/1 12:01:34)

和这道题好像。。。可以瞅瞅
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-743197-1-1.html

我觉得还是从句意理解吧。。

-- by 会员 zhengjiahan (2012/8/1 14:34:21)

看了之后仍然觉得云山雾罩，我知道and是并列关系，两句地位相等，whom引导是从句，是从属关系，地位一主一次，
但是我仍旧不明白是哪个关键点，决定了他们两句一定要是主从关系，而不是其他关系呢？我试着把两句放在并列的关系上，仍然觉得并无大碍.........我觉得我这个蹩脚的逻辑思维如果理不顺，不光是SC，CR也要出问题了T_T

槐阿米 · 发表于 2012-8-1 20:58:29

OG43
Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only fourmillion, and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

我选了D，OG解释说因为D选项的and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos lives in inaccessible place.
因为D里的and在划线部分，也不能确定句子原来的重心是想把这两个分句设为主从关系，而不是并列关系啊？？？？？？？？

很多类似句子重心转移的题都把握不好，不知道怎么确定分句间的关系..............捉急中！！！求各位NN和斑斑指点一二呀！！！

-- by 会员槐阿米 (2012/8/1 12:01:34)

和这道题好像。。。可以瞅瞅
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-743197-1-1.html

我觉得还是从句意理解吧。。

-- by 会员 zhengjiahan (2012/8/1 14:34:21)

看了之后仍然觉得云山雾罩，我知道and是并列关系，两句地位相等，whom引导是从句，是从属关系，地位一主一次，
但是我仍旧不明白是哪个关键点，决定了他们两句一定要是主从关系，而不是其他关系呢？我试着把两句放在并列的关系上，仍然觉得并无大碍.........我觉得我这个蹩脚的逻辑思维如果理不顺，不光是SC，CR也要出问题了T_T

-- by 会员槐阿米 (2012/8/1 18:19:01)

我稍微有点想明白你关于具有解决的观点了，我的想法是这样，大家一块讨论看看是不是对的呢？

一般一句话，会有若干结论（claims），这些结论一般都会以“一个结论一个clause”的形式展现出来，仔细分析句子，看属于那种关系：

（1）从属关系：从所有结论中找出最确定最make sense的n个结论，承载这n个结论的n个clauses就可以确定为句子的main clause(s)，其他结论即为句子的附属clauses，连结要使用从句 or 让步（though/although）；

（2）并列关系：如果发现几个结论分量相当，就一定是地位相同 or 意思相反的clauses，连结要使用And or But这类并列连词；
（3）也会有像这道题一样，两个main clauses是并列关系，以and连结，第二个关于population的观点与它的附属clause是从属关系，以从句或者让步连结；

jeffery2541 · 发表于 2012-8-1 21:07:28

注重句意，读懂句意，自然能找到句子重心了。

读原句时，可以简单地“read literally”来感知句意，即从字面意思简单来看（当然还是需要一定的逻辑在里面），并进一步找到句子的主干，但是“read literally”的感觉万万不可以带到做选择当中，否则很容易造成逻辑错误等很细小的错误。

Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
比如这个句子，字面读起来意思可能会这样：L有着差不多和GB一样的土地面积，但是只有四百万人口，那里许多人都是来自居住在在北面基本上到达不了的山村的部落。

然后我会有这样的逻辑：where那个地方好像不太对，但是可以肯定where后面是来说人口是怎样的，如此，where后面肯定只是一个modifier，而不是句子重心，重心当然就是L有多大地但只有多少人。
当然在这里面肯定是有推测的成分，但是请不要把你的推测当成对句子的改错。

P.S.:读原句时，有时我就是“装疯卖傻”---“傻傻”的读，“疯子”的推测---当然还是一定要有逻辑在里面的。
记得baby姐说，manhattan里说过，有一种策略叫“KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STUPID”，做CR和RC也可以如此。

babybearmm · 发表于 2012-8-2 12:39:12

这标题，让我都想动用bm生杀大权来修改了-_-

上面几位童鞋讨论得挺好的，我没什么可补充的，就把之前msg说的东东贴上来吧：
原话讨论了两件事：
1.面积
2.人口，然后给了关于人口的详细信息(members of tribe....)
1和2之间的并列关系，所以parallelism，表转折所以是but连接。2的详细信息部分是modifier

btw: 那句话叫做"keep it simple, stupid"，我曾经一直写错了，前几天Ron纠正我我就在心经里改过来了

From Ron:
the saying is "keep it simple, stupid", not "keep it simple AND stupid". the idea is that you are jokingly addressing your listener as "stupid" -- kind of like "keep it simple, kid".

babybearmm · 发表于 2012-8-2 12:45:52

btw:
这可能涉及中英文的差异。中文里认为“并列”和“转折”是两回事。而英文的parallelism indicators不光包括"and"还包括"but"，详见Manhattan SC Guide. 注意在英文里，parallelism从逻辑上是指两个东东independent & equal in priority. 所谓independent，就是不能有因果、修饰之类的逻辑联系。

对于转折，but表示"equal in priority"，因此but连接的结构是parallelism. 而although, though这种并不是equal in priority.

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