CEIBS, Guanghua, and Tsinghua

asimov1 · 发表于 2011-9-10 20:34:18

I'm planning to do an exchange program and am interested in these 3 schools. My main goal is to build my network in China. I'm not sure the what differentiate these schools from one another. Can anyone provide me with some insights?

wanghongliang · 发表于 2011-9-10 20:46:27

CEIBS is the very top business school in China currently,it will provide you the new perspective to see the China's economy and tell you how to deal business in China. CKGSB is also anther good chiose.
If you want to build local networking in China,each of them is sufficient to you.But if you chose CEIBS or CKGSB,you will gain more in addiction to the local networking.

Guanghua and Tsinghua are far away behind the CEIBS and CKGSB in term of business school in China,but they also have good reputation in business education.

BTW,are you Chinese?

asimov1 · 发表于 2011-9-11 07:50:31

Thanks for the pointers. I am Chinese but my Chinese isn't that great. One of the reason that I want to go back to China is to brush up on my Chinese. CKGSB isn't one of the exchange schoools that's available to me.

I know the Peking and Tsinghua have very good branding in China, so I was very attracted to those schools. Does CEIBS attract different type of students versus the other two?

Also, what industries/functions do most of the CEIBS students go into post-graduation? For example, are the alumni network mostly in finance? consulting? multi-nationals? domestic?

wanghongliang · 发表于 2011-9-11 09:20:42

I have to admit that Peking and Tsinghua are the symbol of China's highest education.But the education of the business school is total different from the traditional education.
Another example, CEIBS ranks top 15 in world in terms of MBA programme in recent FT Ranking ,but neither of

eking or Tsinghua ranks top 100.

The students in CEIBS are more international, mature and experienced then Peking's or Tsinghua's.
As for the post-graduation of CEIBS students,please refer to the "CEIBS MBA CAREER REPORT 2011":
http://www.ceibs.edu/pdf/mba/career_report.pdf

grossman · 发表于 2011-9-11 09:25:17

Tsinghua and Guanghua attract the best college students. their business schools are mediocre and dont have the best students or faculties. They are public schools and due to a lack of academic freedom, most talented faculties choose CKGSB, SAIF and CEIBS

asimov1 · 发表于 2011-9-11 12:01:57

Thank you for the inputs and perspective. It has all been very helpful

@grossman: it's interesting that you say that public schools lack academic freedom. From my understanding that even private schools lack academic freedom. This is the reason that all schools in China must be a joint venture. Case and point, Duke's Kunshan campus is a JV.

I know that CEIBS is a relatively new school. Does anyone have an idea on how strong the alumni network is for CEIBS? How does that compare to Tsinghua and Peking? Are the MBA alumni on a separate network at Tsinghua and Peking than the undergraduate students?

grossman · 发表于 2011-9-12 20:10:15

Of course, we dont have the freedom like you have in the US. Relatively speaking, independent/private schools have more freedom.

CEIBS has longer history and more alumni than Tsinghua and Beida. In addition, it attracts better students. For example, the average starting salary for CEIBS is 472K and that for CKGSB is 348K. The average salary for Tsinghua and Beida are in the low 20s or high tens.

Even both CEIBS and CKGSB are JV, the link is nominal. They have financial independence and make decisions on their own.

shely2010 · 发表于 2011-9-12 20:30:16

I have to say CEIBS is providing the most prestigious MBA program in China and its graduates mostly work for multinational companies or organizations in Shanghai and Beijing.

But if your goal is to expand your local networking in China, I think the best choice is Guanghua at PKU and SEM in Tsinghua. They are the two business schools with highest reputation over all the mainland China, rather than Shanghai and Beijing. Their alumni are very strong in top state-own companies, top private firms and financial institutions, as well as multinational companies.

If you want to build newtwork in multinational companies, it's not necessary for you to come to China, right?
If you go to Guanghua and SEM, you may also build strong relations with those undergraduate, doctors, faculties in China's top 2 universities ,which may be the country's future's elites.

shely2010 · 发表于 2011-9-12 20:39:47

Salary should not be the only tool to appraise a business school in China as China's labor market isn't an integrated one at the current stage.
Some of Peking or Tsinghua's MBA graduates choose to work for state-own companies or central goverment insitutions like CSRC, CBRC, the Central Bank, whose salaries are strictly regulated by china goverment. And it's hard to say exactly how the package of their salary is.

Almost all of CEIBS‘ MBA graduates start to work for branches of multinational companies in China. Their salaries are very transparent.

grossman · 发表于 2011-9-12 21:06:28

Another problem with Tsinghua and Beida is that they dont have good faculties with the exception of economics. Many scholars with good research records decided to join CKGSB or CEIBS instead. For example, from Beida, Zhou Chunsheng in Finance went to CKGSB, Dean Xu and Jian Han of Management went to CEIBS. At Tsinghua, Wang Gao joined CEIBS.

The salaries at Tsinghua and beida are regulated by the government and they are paid at about one third of CEIBS. One faculty was paid 50K USD in the public school but immediately got a 150K USD after moving to CEIBS.

If you look at the research records of faculties at Tsinghua and Beida, they are not comparable with those at CEIBS, SAIF or CKGSB in terms of top international journals, especially in areas other than economics. One reason is that due to regulation, Tsinghua/Beida have to pay faculties in all areas the same. For example, in top US business schools faculties are paid twice than the economics faculties. Thus these two schools are having great trouble to attract top business school faculties. They ended up hiring mostly economics faculties or less qualified business faculties

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