求问OG13 D39。。翻遍了CD以前的讨论帖和国外instructor对这题的讲解~我的疑惑还木有解决~

Mia努力ing · 发表于 2013-9-23 21:07:53

39、The reason why I didn't type the question is because the questions I had were on the answer explanations and they're pretty long to type out, but here are the question and answer explanation together:

According to scholars, the earliest writing was probably not a direct rendering of speech, but was more likely to begin as a separate and distinct symbolic system of communication, and only later merged with spoken language.
(A) was more likely to begin as
(B) more than likely began as
(C) more than likely beginning from
(D) it was more than likely begun from
(E) it was more likely that it began

OA：B
我选了A，主要是考虑到be likely to do结构的正确性~

我的问题：
1、OG说more在做比较时一定要与than连用，那请问这题的比较成分在哪里。。？谁比谁more than likely。。？
2、more什么时候可以单独使用？

请看下面这题：
Gone are the sharp edges and jutting planes of styles from former eras; instead, designers of everything from cars to computer monitors have adopted a cornerless style of smooth surfaces and curves that is more ergonomic, conforming to the shape of the body rather than flaunting shape for its own sake.

(A) more ergonomic, conforming to the shape of the body rather than flaunting shape
(B) more ergonomic, conformed to the body's shape and not to flaunting shape
(C) ergonomic, more conformed to the shape of the body and not to shape flaunted
(D) ergonomic, conforming more to the body's shape rather than shape flaunted
(E) ergonomic, conforming more to the shape of the body than flaunting shape

OA：A.
我选了E，为毛这里就不more than了？！

跪求指导~~~><

Mia努力ing · 发表于 2013-9-24 13:49:37

自己顶一下~大家是不是都很少讨论diagnosis test里面的题目呢。。。

IVY7W · 发表于 2013-9-25 10:44:17

刚才打了半天。。。手一抖不小心点了刷新。。。什么都没有了！！！好吧。。。正题。
前一个more than不是比较级啊~more than是用来修饰likely的，更可能怎么样。但是我能力有限不能解释B，我理解不能为什么likely后面接的是began而不是to begin as...但是这题只能在B.C里面选
后面一题同理。你看E的意思变了的。A里面more 是用来修饰形容词 ergonomic, conforming的，句意是那个style是对shape of body更 ergonomic, conforming而不是对那个flaunting shape更怎么样，A中假如为了更平行的话后面的shape前面要加to，但是这里没有歧义就可以省略，但是E里面，to没有加就是有歧义了，这是明显的比较结构，没有to的话会造成style和后面的那个shape之间的比较。
下面还有一个类似的题目，more than作修饰成分而不是比较结构的，本人刚开始纠结了很久很久很久：

Retail sales rose 8/10 of 1 percent in August, intensifying expectations that personal spending in the July-September quarter more than doubled that of the 1.4 percent growth rate in personal spending for the previous quarter.
A. that personal spending in the July-September quarter more than doubled that of
B. that personal spending in the July-September quarter would more than double
C. of personal spending in the July-September quarter, that it more than doubled
D. of personal spending in the July-September quarter, more than doubling that of
E. of personal spending in the July-September quarter, that it would more than double that of
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B

Mia努力ing · 发表于 2013-9-25 18:38:29

IVY7W 发表于 2013-9-25 10:44
刚才打了半天。。。手一抖不小心点了刷新。。。什么都没有了！！！好吧。。。正题。
前一个more than不是比 ...

终于有人回复我了好感动><

但是我还是有点问题呢，请亲再看一下：
关于第一题：OG的解释里说This sentence is a comparison in which probably not x is balanced by but more than likely y. When more is used in the comparative form of an adjective or adverb, it is followed by than. 这是说probably not x和but more than likely y形成了对比，但是这个逻辑含义上我有点想不通= =

以前没听到过more than做修饰成分的说法所以有点茫然，我觉得这应该也属于比较结构吧？翻译过来还是“更......”，比如你那个例子里，more than就是“比二倍还多”~但这个39题总不能理解为比likely还多吧？

我找对比成分一般是看看逻辑上谁跟谁对比，然后看看more than啊as as左右的关键成分是不是平行就选了。。所以也有点不太懂你说的那个to的问题。。= =我贴的第二题里面E选项，难道这个结构会造成more后面的成分和than后面的成分比较的歧义？

IVY7W · 发表于 2013-9-25 18:49:57

Mia努力ing 发表于 2013-9-25 18:38
终于有人回复我了好感动><

但是我还是有点问题呢，请亲再看一下：

你之前第一题为啥选B我也真的不明白。。。be likely did这个。。。理解不能。。。sorry...
至于你说的那个more than作修饰，我之前对我给你的那个题目也不能理解，后来我想说拿掉more than，double做动词啊，直接说了翻翻了嘛，我就感觉那个more than是用来修饰double，意思翻过来就是说变成了两倍还多，懂了吗？句子主要表达的意思是spending翻倍了，但是翻倍还不止，比翻倍还多。后来我像老师求证了，more than就是作修饰。
然后那个to，E选项是不是说that（style）is more ...to shape1 than shape2.你看这个句子不走逻辑，我能不能解释为that（style）在和shape2比较。翻译过来就是style比shape2更加...to shape1，这就造成了歧义。

IVY7W · 发表于 2013-9-25 18:55:02

Mia努力ing 发表于 2013-9-25 18:38
终于有人回复我了好感动><

但是我还是有点问题呢，请亲再看一下：

但是现在我看这个A也很不爽。。。你确定你没有对错答案吗。。。这个不符合我说的more作修饰的情况啊。。。我也糊了。。。你的题目都好。。。800啊。。。我觉得我是没有这个能力碰到这个难度的题目了。。。碰到我也要偷笑了。。。

Mia努力ing · 发表于 2013-9-26 20:29:28

IVY7W 发表于 2013-9-25 18:55
但是现在我看这个A也很不爽。。。你确定你没有对错答案吗。。。这个不符合我说的more作修饰的情况啊。。 ...

木有呢。。prep语法笔记07的一道题，解释说由于more位置改变使得句意发生变化，直接排除了CDE，然后那个B明显不平行，就A了。。= =哎算了，不钻牛角尖了吧，找比较对象这里还是需要多练练。。。

Chuckle · 发表于 2013-9-27 01:40:28

找到了Ron对什么情况下more不需要跟than的解释：
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if you use "as many / as much / more / less" with a PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED QUANTITY (i.e., a quantity that is mentioned before the comparison has been made), then you can eliminate the subsequent use of "as" or "than".
this is what's happening in the correct answer here.

another example:
james had found over 50 words in the puzzle, but his brother found even more on the subsequent turn. --> note that we don't have to say "than" here, since the initial comparison value (50 words) has already been mentioned.
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虽然他说的是quantity，但我觉得可以扩展，也就是说与前面出现过的东西比较的时候，可以不加than。重要的是这个比较对象在前面提到过了，并且读者可以无歧义地确定谁和谁比较。

“more ergonomic”那道题里面，前面的“sharp edges and jutting planes of styles”是那个more ergonomic的style的比较对象。符合这种例外情况，因而可以省略than。

而likely那个题中，如果用was more likely的话，去掉修饰语，你会发现句子变成了the earliest writing was more likely to begin. 实际上是找不到比较对象的。因此不能用“was more likely”。

PREP2008里面还有个句子：
Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.
这个句子里面也没有than，但是也是前面提到了是和most sport utility vehicles相比，所以不用than也是正确的。实际上，OG13第124题在说从德国移民去美国的那个摄影师的时候对答案A明确解释说“Less successful... anticipates than rather than compared to ...;”我觉得这两道题里面对于“compared”能否和比较级并存也可以套用这个规律来解释。

IVY7W · 发表于 2013-9-27 10:39:08

Chuckle 发表于 2013-9-27 01:40
找到了Ron对什么情况下more不需要跟than的解释：
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瞬间觉得惭愧了。。。lz你是为了提高自己而学，我是为了考试。。够考试就好。。。我默默的走掉了。。。下午我就上刑场了。。。啊！

Chuckle · 发表于 2013-9-27 16:20:59

IVY7W 发表于 2013-9-27 10:39
瞬间觉得惭愧了。。。lz你是为了提高自己而学，我是为了考试。。够考试就好。。。我默默的走掉了。。。下 ...

汗，谈不上。要能考好成绩，谁没事儿一个一个知识点抠呀？
我其实折腾一个多钟头，也没找到权威的直接解释。
前面自己总结的也未必正确。

祝你考场好运哈！

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